Critsmcgee
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1 edit | This is why people use gearscore to make groups
I personally use gear score to make a pug along with personal player knowledge. For the most part what people dont understand about making a pug is the fact that you dont have 3-5 min per person to get people. When your pugging in trade the most important thing to take into account is speed. Getting to try a raid and getting down 1-2 bosses is always better than letting your lockout rot for the week. IMO the reason people (and me) use gear score is because it shows the potential a player has to do DPS/healing/tankability. It says nothing about player skill. It simply shows that the given player has been through enough content to get that level of gear. Everyone always freaks out about achievement and gearscore spamming in trade. Alot of people wanna link their achievement on their main and then go to their alt and run. There is no way in hell i do that. Healing on a shaman is in no form or fashion comparable to DPSing on a warrior through the raid. If your leading a pug and you take the full 3-5 minutes to interview every player you get then your prolly gonna loose half of the people you started with and eventually end up with 17 people and alot of people pissed off in trade that they cant get in. Then the 17 people get tired of waiting and you just end up wasting an hour of your time. I always follow one rule in pugs that has a pretty good success rate. Bring one more tank, and one more healer than the raid requires and assume that one of the tanks is gonna die. Its always easier to replace a DPS that isnt holding his own and hitting an enrage timer and wiping is 1000 times less detremental to a pugs attitude than just all out wiping. Remember a pug is a living breathing thing that feeds off gear. Feed it, and it will be happy.
IN CONCLUSION...gearscore shows the POTENTIAL a player has to do well in a raid fast enough for you to make a decision on whether you want to take them or leave them. Nuff said.
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Archivis
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I agree - it isn't necessarily predictive of results but does show potential.
Got passed over for ToC25 the other day because my GS was slightly less than what the RL wanted. Oh well, whatever, his raid. Did a WG and an ore run through IC, got back to Dal and the guy is still spamming trade for spots..  We could've been on Faction Champs by then. |
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drew
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And his opinion isn't all that insightful or worthy of a new thread on the topic either.
More nonsense. |
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| said by drew  :And his opinion isn't all that insightful or worthy of a new thread on the topic either. More nonsense. This
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said by Critsmcgee :I IMO the reason people (and me) use gear score is because it shows the potential a player has to do DPS/healing/tankability. It says nothing about player skill. It simply shows that the given player has been through enough content to get that level of gear. 100% false.
All gearscore does is show a player has potential to be DRAGGED thru content.
The player could be the worst tank/healer/dps .... all gear score does is show a player has potential to be present when an item dropped.
totally useless.
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| I think you are missing the point of the original poster. Putting a pug together is about risk mitigation and gear score helps to do just that by stacking the odds on your favor.
Can the person in the other side of the screen with the great score be a sibling with no clue of the class, or like you suggest just been dragged through the content and got lucky roles? Sure it is possible absolutely. So what is the alternative to gear score? A try out period? A lengthy interview process? Just like the original posters point putting a pug together is about speed and gear score has the best return for time invested in considering a candidate.
I personally use wow heroes and use a combination of their raiding achievement and gear score to make a decision.
It has been said before the order of priorities is skill/experience/gear. Gear score is not perfect but it is the best thing for a quick decision, and the key is when ever you find a bad player with a good gear score just put them in your ignore list just to make sure you do not invite them again not even by accident. |
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The WeaseL
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Wall of text crits you for 9001.
You die. |
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1 edit | said by The WeaseL :Wall of text crits you for 9001. You die. Ardent Defender proc'd. Restored to 30% health with 35% damage reduction. Wall-O-Text runs in fear.
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True. I have always said that GS is the double-edged sword of WoW addons. When used correctly, it makes groups come together faster. When used incorrectly, you shun half of the good people in order to get people with higher GS's that may suck. I think that it is ok to say "LFG ToC 25. Pst 4800 GS or achieve or no invite" meaning that someone with a 4500 GS who pst's the achieve would still be eligible for invite. Achieves can be faked though.
A lot of the time, when I see people spamming trade for people with high GS for ToC 10/25 it is usually someone who doesn't even meet their own requirements. I called someone out on this when they were looking for people with 5k GS for a ToC 25 and wouldn't invite my 4800 GS DK. Their toon only had a GS of 4200. So my comment was this "You don't even meet your own requirements to be in your own raid. I not only have 4800 GS, but I also have 5/5 achieve, so I think I am more than capable of doing ToC 25." He promptly invited me, which I promptly declined.
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The WeaseL
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| said by Tirael :said by The WeaseL :Wall of text crits you for 9001. You die. Ardent Defender proc'd. Restored to 30% health with 35% damage reduction. Wall-O-Text runs in fear. @Ihave True. I have always said that GS is the double-edged sword of WoW addons. When used correctly, it makes groups come together faster. When used incorrectly, you shun half of the good people in order to get people with higher GS's that may suck. I think that it is ok to say "LFG ToC 25. Pst 4800 GS or achieve or no invite" meaning that someone with a 4500 GS who pst's the achieve would still be eligible for invite. Achieves can be faked though. A lot of the time, when I see people spamming trade for people with high GS for ToC 10/25 it is usually someone who doesn't even meet their own requirements. I called someone out on this when they were looking for people with 5k GS for a ToC 25 and wouldn't invite my 4800 GS DK. Their toon only had a GS of 4200. So my comment was this "You don't even meet your own requirements to be in your own raid. I not only have 4800 GS, but I also have 5/5 achieve, so I think I am more than capable of doing ToC 25." He promptly invited me, which I promptly declined. Proper Formatting heals you for 5000.
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said by The WeaseL :Wall of text crits you for 9001. You die. I saw the thread title, wall of text and posted my response. I didn't even read more than half of the first sentence, heh.
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Re: This is why people use gearscore to make groups
said by Tirael :said by The WeaseL :Wall of text crits you for 9001. You die. Ardent Defender proc'd. Restored to 30% health with 35% damage reduction. Wall-O-Text runs in fear. Isn't 5k GS a little overkill for TOC 25? I can understand for heroic TOC 10. @Ihave True. I have always said that GS is the double-edged sword of WoW addons. When used correctly, it makes groups come together faster. When used incorrectly, you shun half of the good people in order to get people with higher GS's that may suck. I think that it is ok to say "LFG ToC 25. Pst 4800 GS or achieve or no invite" meaning that someone with a 4500 GS who pst's the achieve would still be eligible for invite. Achieves can be faked though. A lot of the time, when I see people spamming trade for people with high GS for ToC 10/25 it is usually someone who doesn't even meet their own requirements. I called someone out on this when they were looking for people with 5k GS for a ToC 25 and wouldn't invite my 4800 GS DK. Their toon only had a GS of 4200. So my comment was this "You don't even meet your own requirements to be in your own raid. I not only have 4800 GS, but I also have 5/5 achieve, so I think I am more than capable of doing ToC 25." He promptly invited me, which I promptly declined. Isn't 5k GS a little over the top for TOC 25? I can understand for TOC 10 heroic.
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I was rated as one of the top 15 mages in the world at one point.
I stopped playing and my gear is naxx 25 / a few 226 from that era.
I eat terrible pugs in ToC with 245...
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quatra
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My head hurts all I caught was
This is why people use gearscore to makes group - shows the potential a player has. |
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quatrix
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Huh? I've got your "pug" right here. |
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Dropper
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2 edits | reply to Critsmcgee
And when Triumph badges are dropped in heroics and everyone has full Tier 9, what then?
What about when everyone has two pieces of tier 10 and whatever weapons or accessories that come with the new badges?
Gear Scores are an awful way of judging whether someone is good enough to run with. I wouldn't trust them now and I certainly won't after the patch.
Personally what I look for is whether someone has completed older raids and when they did so.
I'm more willing to take someone who appears undergeared and has achieved any 25 man BC raid prior to WotLK than someone in 2 pieces of T8 and T9 but hasn't even cleared Naxx.
Another good indicator of having the ability to clear any heroic without wipes are achievements from 10 man versions of raids. 25 man achievements are too easy to get so I don't put much store in those, although if I'm forced to choose between someone with loads of gear and someone who actually has a few 25 man Ulduar achievements, I'll pick the person with the achievements.
Gear is all well and good, but nothing beyond lvl 200 is needed for a trouble free run through any heroic. What matters is if melee have the ability to run away from whirlwinds or range have the ability to move out of black circles on the ground. |
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Kltpzyxm
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Gearscore is a new way to measure epeens and roll some advertising hits for wow-heroes.com
Seeing people require crazy high scores, more than what the content requires, definitely stinks of "please carry me through content on your back". |
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Fouloldron
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Its really strange that people make an addon to measure how well people are geared to raid instead of improving addons to help people make better gem / gear decisions.
I mean if you want a tool to find people for pugs why not just make something like a checklist insted of epeenscore? You know like just inspecting a player and getting answers to questions like are they hitcapped, defcapped, have they taken any fail-talents, are they gemmed correctly for their class/spec, etc.
I know a warrior on my server who has TOC10 gear that is running a prot spec with 2 points into improved overpower and he skipped last stand. That is his raid tanking spec. He only gets taken to raids because his priest buddy is that good and gets him invited. I'm sure with his gearscore that this guy will have a lot of potential to tank. |
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