chene77
join:2007-11-14
Kingston, ON
| throttled MLPPP? Bandwidth graph attached.
hi,
using tomato/mlppp with teksavvy and noticed that my speed suddenly dropped at 5:30pm today (~75KB/sec), and dropped to ever lower at 6:30pm (~35KB/sec).
I *DO* have MLPPP connection. Has anyone else experience this problem? |
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HiVolt
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2 edits | I just checked here, single link-MLPPP still throttle free...
Maybe Bell is testing the throttling of MLPPP... This would suck big time.
Have you tried a reboot of the router, reconnect to make sure your MLPPP status is verified?
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chene77
join:2007-11-14
Kingston, ON | How would that help? I'm still going to be connected to the same server.
The torrents (3) I'm downloading at the moment *each* is connected to about 60 seeds and maybe 10 leech. |
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Angelo_
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join:2002-06-18 | reply to chene77
without info on usage its like claiming the sky is falling |
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BigSensFan
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said by chene77  :How would that help? I'm still going to be connected to the same server. The torrents (3) I'm downloading at the moment *each* is connected to about 60 seeds and maybe 10 leech. It might help because your router or modem might be in a weird state and it will refresh them
When in doubt, always reboot first then ask questions later
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BigSensFan
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Whitby, ON | I am testing a torrent now, and am downloading at 391 kB/s |
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HiVolt
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said by BigSensFan :It might help because your router or modem might be in a weird state and it will refresh them When in doubt, always reboot first then ask questions later Exactly. You're using the latest Tomato/MLPPP alpha, so there could be a bug in it where it drops the multilink and still maintains an internet connection, but its throttled.
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chene77
join:2007-11-14
Kingston, ON
| reply to chene77
as one wish, the router was rebooted at 9:15pm. Below you'll find the bandwidth graph for the past 10 minutes:
as one can see, the average download (torrents) max out at ~30KB/sec. The trackers for each of the 3 torrents (all public, DHT enabled) were refreshed. At the moment, each torrent, again, connects to about 60 seeds and maybt 10-15 leech. The speed increase in the last minute or so at the graph was web/http traffic.
The timing of the slowdown at the exact 1/2 hour at the hour (5:30pm, then at 6:30pm) is too much of coincident to me.
not trying to offend anyone, simply presenting my case. |
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HiVolt
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| said by chene77 :not trying to offend anyone, simply presenting my case. You're not offending anyone, but we're simply asking for some troubleshooting before, as we've seen these threads before (though not for a while), where there is user error.
Your router status shows MLPPP connected, right? maybe take a screenshot of your status screen pls.
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andyb
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SW Ontario | Yea and dont post it to an off site image place.post it here. |
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chene77
join:2007-11-14
Kingston, ON
| reply to chene77
Deepest apology. I was mistaken.
MLPPP was *NOT* enabled. It seems that during the transition from tomato 1.21 to 1.25 some settings were lost and MLPPP was not enabled.
false alarm, sorry for causing any trouble.
MOD: please close this thread, thanks, |
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HiVolt
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| said by chene77 :Deepest apology. I was mistaken. MLPPP was *NOT* enabled. It seems that during the transition from tomato 1.21 to 1.25 some settings were lost and MLPPP was not enabled. false alarm, sorry for causing any trouble. MOD: please close this thread, thanks, Hey, don't worry, it happens. That's why we were asking for some troubleshooting/verification...
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Guspaz
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During the transition from 1.21 to 1.25, *ALL* settings should have been lost, because you *SHOULD* have done a full NVRAM reset. When people have problems, I'm increasingly tempted to say "Did you reset your NVRAM after installing the firmware *without* using a backup config? No? Then we can't help you."
Sadly, nobody actually follows our instructions on how to install our software  |
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Omr
join:2004-01-10
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| said by Guspaz :During the transition from 1.21 to 1.25, *ALL* settings should have been lost, because you *SHOULD* have done a full NVRAM reset. When people have problems, I'm increasingly tempted to say "Did you reset your NVRAM after installing the firmware *without* using a backup config? No? Then we can't help you." Sadly, nobody actually follows our instructions on how to install our software In related news:
»gizmodo.com/5399459/64-of-men-do···-support
64% of men don't read the manual. |
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chene77
join:2007-11-14
Kingston, ON
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I admitted my mistake, but since you brought it up, please kindly allow me to explain why I made that mistake. It may be of interest to you 'cus it may pin point to a bug (perhaps 2, but I'm still investigating) in mlppp/tomato.
1) I *did* reset nvram, and tried to recover as much customized setting as possible,
2) "reject non-mlppp connection" WAS checked,
3) mlppp under basic setting was NOT checked
and yet I was connected to a non-MLPPP link despite the fact that "reject non-mlppp connection" was enabled.
This is the reason why I thought I had mlppp enabled. If someone else can reproduct this (easy check for most), perhaps this should go down as a bug in mlppp/tomato.
Guspaz: you might recall that I have frequent disconnection problem last week and I thought i have sorted it after replacing all my cables and (coincidently) reset the nvram in my router. Since last night after I've *re-enabled* mlppp connection I'm experiencing disconnection problems (about 4 times between 12pm to 9am this morning) again. I hope these two aren't related.
I would love to investigate more but I'm relocating next week (new job, new city, new house). Hopefully I can spend some time on this in the meanwhile. |
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Guspaz
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| said by chene77 :I admitted my mistake, but since you brought it up, please kindly allow me to explain why I made that mistake. It may be of interest to you 'cus it may pin point to a bug (perhaps 2, but I'm still investigating) in mlppp/tomato. This was not so much a rant against you but people in general. Your post had implied that you had not done an NVRAM reset, which got me off on the usual rant.
and yet I was connected to a non-MLPPP link despite the fact that "reject non-mlppp connection" was enabled. You can't reject non-mlppp connections when mlppp isn't enabled, that's a deadlock. It'd create an infinite loop. As such, the reject option only works if MLPPP is enabled.
Guspaz: you might recall that I have frequent disconnection problem last week and I thought i have sorted it after replacing all my cables and (coincidently) reset the nvram in my router. Since last night after I've *re-enabled* mlppp connection I'm experiencing disconnection problems (about 4 times between 12pm to 9am this morning) again. I hope these two aren't related.
I would love to investigate more but I'm relocating next week (new job, new city, new house). Hopefully I can spend some time on this in the meanwhile.
We can try to investigate if you have time in the future. When you have a disconnection event, does your connection lock up until you manually reconnect, or does the system eventually reconnect on its own? |
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chene77
join:2007-11-14
Kingston, ON
| I'm at work and don't have access to the router at the moment. I briefly took a look at the tomato log in the morning before I left work. It was the same "Terminated, signal 15" or sort and it occurred 4 times last night.
each time the router re-connected by itself. I did not physically moved anything (modem, line, etc) and the only change I did was to enable MLPPP connection.
while I had the non-MLPPP connection (not by intent), the connection was stable for about a week, the connection uptime was about 5.+ days.
it is too early to tell what the cause of the problem is. As I said, I will try to find time to investigate but probably nothing will happen until I relocate. |
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Guspaz
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| reply to chene77
At least it's reconnecting on its own, that was a problem we had when working on ZeroShell 
I think your report of disconnections was the one that I prodded DSL_Ricer to look at, but I don't think he did. |
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InvalidError
join:2008-02-03
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said by Guspaz :and yet I was connected to a non-MLPPP link despite the fact that "reject non-mlppp connection" was enabled. You can't reject non-mlppp connections when mlppp isn't enabled, that's a deadlock. It'd create an infinite loop. As such, the reject option only works if MLPPP is enabled. I think the OP's point is that reject MLPPP should not be available unless MLPPP itself is enabled.
This could easily be fixed by merging the two features together:
Accept:
1) Single-line only (do not try MLPPP)
2) Multi-line only (reject non-MLPPP)
3) Any
One UI config changes updates both flags to a consistent state. |
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Guspaz
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We could possibly disable the checkbox if MLPPP isn't enabled, but then you're preventing the user from changing a config option for no particular reason. Just because the option has no effect doesn't mean that it isn't being set. Likewise, automatically changing other settings doesn't work. If the option is on and the user disables and re-enables MLPPP, should the option now be off? Why?
Remember that the option is on the advanced page, and is enabled by default (unless my memory is faulty). The user should not be touching the advanced page unless changing an option there fixes a problem.
Just like with that 64% of users who don't read the manual, many users seem to mess with the advanced settings when they shouldn't...
Think of it this way: the advanced page is for overrides. Why are you overriding behaviours if there is no problem? |
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