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|   bionicRodFunkier than a mohair disco ball.Premium
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| Re: What is happening? said by swintec:Are we at the point now where we tell a private company how much money is to much, and then what they are suppose to do with it? Meanwhile, getting politicians in on the fight? No one sees anything wrong with that? So what is the cut off? How much does a company have to make before they are "required" to offer more to the customers? If Applebees posts a record profit the previous quarter, do they need to start giving a scoop of extra fries to every dinner plate? That depends. Is Applebee's your only option to eat? If it is, I'd definitely say yes. | |
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| Re: What is happening? said by bionicRod:said by swintec:Are we at the point now where we tell a private company how much money is to much, and then what they are suppose to do with it? Meanwhile, getting politicians in on the fight? No one sees anything wrong with that? So what is the cut off? How much does a company have to make before they are "required" to offer more to the customers? If Applebees posts a record profit the previous quarter, do they need to start giving a scoop of extra fries to every dinner plate? That depends. Is Applebee's your only option to eat? If it is, I'd definitely say yes. Ahhh...So if competitors do not enter a market due to their OWN choice, then we should take it out on the one that did?
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Camden, TN | Re: What is happening? said by swintec:said by bionicRod:said by swintec:Are we at the point now where we tell a private company how much money is to much, and then what they are suppose to do with it? Meanwhile, getting politicians in on the fight? No one sees anything wrong with that? So what is the cut off? How much does a company have to make before they are "required" to offer more to the customers? If Applebees posts a record profit the previous quarter, do they need to start giving a scoop of extra fries to every dinner plate? That depends. Is Applebee's your only option to eat? If it is, I'd definitely say yes. Ahhh...So if competitors do not enter a market due to their OWN choice, then we should take it out on the one that did? Are you that naive to think that the reason why there aren't more competitors is because they CHOOSE not to? How many times have towns wanted oto build their own networks only to have some cable or telco use them to stop it? | |
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Camden, TN | Re: What is happening? said by swintec:said by BF69:Are you that naive to think that the reason why there aren't more competitors is because they CHOOSE not to? How many times have towns wanted oto build their own networks only to have some cable or telco use them to stop it? That just becomes an issue of which pocket is deeper and who will push the issue more to prevail. Sad to say the least, but in the grand scheme of things...it all comes down to politics like everything else. Cable over builders can go into most towns and cities if they want to...If they can't why not get on your cable franchise committee and have it added to the franchise that no exclusivity is given to any one company? Because my little neck of the woods is run by people that are either corrupt, incompetent or both. | |
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| | | The bigger question is does Applebee's, Outback, Macaroni Grill, Olive Garden, et all act in concert to extract too much money out of their consumer? Do they collectively price fix and act as a monopoly? | |
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| | The reason for this line of thinking is because they spent less on their CAPEX last year than they did the year before despite serving hundreds of thousands more customers. This goes counter to their claim that they can't afford the additional expense to keep up with increased bandwidth demands.
Also, if the current trends continue then internet bandwidth needs only increase 40 - 60% per year. This is very manageable to keep up with and current spending levels should be able cover it. | |
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| Re: What is happening? said by jdjbuffalo:The reason for this line of thinking is because they spent less on their CAPEX last year than they did the year before despite serving hundreds of thousands more customers. This goes counter to their claim that they can't afford the additional expense to keep up with increased bandwidth demands. Also, if the current trends continue then internet bandwidth needs only increase 40 - 60% per year. This is very manageable to keep up with and current spending levels should be able cover it. Yes, but it seems you are still saying we (or politicians when pronged enough) should be able to tell private companies how to handle and spend there money. Sure TW is most likely lying about there infrastructure and costs and such like you say but never the less. Do you own a business? What if I told you you were making to much, compared to what you charge?
This thinking is the same line of thinking that I have seen in the rental market when dead beat tenants do not pay there rent and simply say "He doesnt need my rent money, he has plenty of it, he owns this building."
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| Re: What is happening? humm last i checked TWC is a PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY NOT PRIVATE
many dont understand that telco and cable alike make HUGE revenue via advertising
since many people are moving to internet video, they are losing and will continue to lose $$$$ in ad revenue.
telco and cable are at a cap of how much more money they can make a year without raising rates since this is a PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY with $$$$ hungry investors demanding more profit every year.
a little off topic but i have 2 ways to pay for a universal health care plan--------
1. a $5.00 PER TRADE fee in any stock purchased, sold or traded!!!!!
2. or removing all medical industry out of "for profit" | |
| | | | | As a rule of thumb I am not ok with telling a company how much money it can make. In a vibrant capitalist market there are many companies competing for my business. However in the ISP arena I have 2 choices, local cable monopoly or local telephone monopoly. This is not a vibrant capitalist market.
We need to have 1-3 companies that own the last-mile lines and then completely separate ISPs that compete in a real capitalist market. Then we would have low prices, no unreasonable caps (probably no caps whatsoever) and no need to worry about net neutrality.
The reason for the separate companies that own the last mile is because this is a natural monopoly. We don't want or need 10 different companies running the exact same lines from their cable plant or DSLAM.
Other countries have taken our original idea from back in the 1996 Telecom Act and implemented it with great success. Look at France, they have 20+mbps Internet, VOIP phone and CableTV for around $38. You can't get just Internet or CableTV for that price around here. | |
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| | A few weeks ago a bunch of top CEOs were told how much money they could make per year. I'm generally against such a thing, but the other side of the coin is that many of these top companies are gaming their consumers and trying to game the system. I'm not sure where the happy medium is currently, but we're too far on the side of the corporations currently. | |
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