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glinc

join:2009-04-07
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lol

"As the U.S. market leader in wireless data service, we typically don't respond to competitors' advertising,"

HAHAHAHAHA! are they out of their mind??? Throw some cash into network improvement and then that statement might be right. They're just milking all they can their customers and keeping the cash in their bank accounts.

I really didn't know how slow EDGE was until I traveled to another country last week and used my Tour on EDGE....that was slowwwww as hell.

There is really no misleading in those ads, AT&T advertise "fastest 3G" and all those 3G ads, Verizon its just advertising the truth about 3G ads.


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US market leader would mean subscribers. Maybe they have more people with data plans than Verizon?
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Throwing Dirt at Each Other

It's pointless for each company to complain about each other. If AT&T is so bothered by Verizon's ads, then they should do their own. Since almost all of Verizon's phones only work on CDMA, why doesn't AT&T show a map where their phones work all over the globe and Verizon's don't, then claim that Verizon's phones can only be used as "Doorstops in Denmark" (or "Paperweights in Portugal"). They'll probably win that war.


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said by burgerwars:

...Since almost all of Verizon's phones only work on CDMA, why doesn't AT&T show a map where their phones work all over the globe and Verizon's don't, then claim that Verizon's phones can only be used as "Doorstops in Denmark." They'll probably win that war.
You are a genius...


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Re: lol

said by r81984:

US market leader would mean subscribers. Maybe they have more people with data plans than Verizon?
"Market Leader" is a widely used marketing term that has no legal bearing. If you notice in press releases, EVERY company is a "market leader". Its just a fancy way of not actually saying anything, and it sounds good so some people get confused!
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glinc

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Re: Throwing Dirt at Each Other

Then they would have to specify which type of phones. Because verizon have global phones also and bragging about the phones you have to work abroad is pointless, since it isn't even your company's own network. First improved your local coverage.

dynodb
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reply to burgerwars
But what percentage of customers are going to care? How many people need to use their cell phone outside the US often enough for it to be a selling point? 2%? 5%?

Also, CDMA coverage internationally is often underestimated. GSM might be dominant in Europe, but that doesn't mean there aren't CDMA carriers as well.

Perhaps a better approach would be promoting the fact that Verizon's CDMA doesn't allow for simultaneous voice and data.


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said by dynodb:

But what percentage of customers are going to care? How many people need to use their cell phone outside the US often enough for it to be a selling point? 2%? 5%?

Also, CDMA coverage internationally is often underestimated. GSM might be dominant in Europe, but that doesn't mean there aren't CDMA carriers as well.

Perhaps a better approach would be promoting the fact that Verizon's CDMA doesn't allow for simultaneous voice and data.
CDMA is deploy as well internationally as GSM 3G is here in the US. That is, if you stick to relatively urban areas, you'll have CDMA coverage.
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reply to burgerwars
said by burgerwars:

It's pointless for each company to complain about each other. If AT&T is so bothered by Verizon's ads, then they should do their own. Since almost all of Verizon's phones only work on CDMA, why doesn't AT&T show a map where their phones work all over the globe and Verizon's don't, then claim that Verizon's phones can only be used as "Doorstops in Denmark" (or "Paperweights in Portugal"). They'll probably win that war.
How is that?. 99% of the Verizon users will never take their phone overseas and could care less. That ad would be a waste of money.
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nvm


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reply to Matt3
said by Matt3:

said by dynodb:

But what percentage of customers are going to care? How many people need to use their cell phone outside the US often enough for it to be a selling point? 2%? 5%?

Also, CDMA coverage internationally is often underestimated. GSM might be dominant in Europe, but that doesn't mean there aren't CDMA carriers as well.

Perhaps a better approach would be promoting the fact that Verizon's CDMA doesn't allow for simultaneous voice and data.
CDMA is deploy as well internationally as GSM 3G is here in the US. That is, if you stick to relatively urban areas, you'll have CDMA coverage.
And you base this on what? In portions of Asia this may be the case (assuming the bands are even supported by the US phones, which they typically aren't), but in Europe this isn't even close to the truth.
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reply to tiger72
said by tiger72:

said by glinc:

Then they would have to specify which type of phones. Because verizon have global phones also and bragging about the phones you have to work abroad is pointless, since it isn't even your company's own network. First improved your local coverage.
It does matter. The fact that you can use your GSM phone throughout countries that Americans travel to frequently for vacations (throughout Canada and Mexico) WITHOUT having to be limited to Verizon and Sprint's tiny (and expensive) selection of dual-radio phones would be a good selling point to many Americans.
Canada has excellent CDMA coverage and a Verizon CDMA phone would work just fine there.
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reply to tiger72
said by tiger72:

said by Matt3:

said by dynodb:

But what percentage of customers are going to care? How many people need to use their cell phone outside the US often enough for it to be a selling point? 2%? 5%?

Also, CDMA coverage internationally is often underestimated. GSM might be dominant in Europe, but that doesn't mean there aren't CDMA carriers as well.

Perhaps a better approach would be promoting the fact that Verizon's CDMA doesn't allow for simultaneous voice and data.
CDMA is deploy as well internationally as GSM 3G is here in the US. That is, if you stick to relatively urban areas, you'll have CDMA coverage.
And you base this on what? In portions of Asia this may be the case (assuming the bands are even supported by the US phones, which they typically aren't), but in Europe this isn't even close to the truth.
I base this on our CTO who was just in Europe and Asia with his plain old Verizon Motorola Q9c ... he had service everywhere he went.
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said by FFH5:

said by tiger72:

said by glinc:

Then they would have to specify which type of phones. Because verizon have global phones also and bragging about the phones you have to work abroad is pointless, since it isn't even your company's own network. First improved your local coverage.
It does matter. The fact that you can use your GSM phone throughout countries that Americans travel to frequently for vacations (throughout Canada and Mexico) WITHOUT having to be limited to Verizon and Sprint's tiny (and expensive) selection of dual-radio phones would be a good selling point to many Americans.
Canada has excellent CDMA coverage and a Verizon CDMA phone would work just fine there.
yeah I'm not really sure what I was thinking with that post
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said by Matt3:

I base this on our CTO who was just in Europe and Asia with his plain old Verizon Motorola Q9c ... he had service everywhere he went.
Then he didn't go to Western or Mediterranean Europe.
Even the CDMA Development Group website shows no CDMA service throughout most of Europe.
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Matt3
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said by tiger72:

said by Matt3:

I base this on our CTO who was just in Europe and Asia with his plain old Verizon Motorola Q9c ... he had service everywhere he went.
Then he didn't go to Western or Mediterranean Europe.
Even the CDMA Development Group website shows no CDMA service throughout most of Europe.
I don't know my European Geography well enough to place exactly where he went, but he noted that as long as he stayed in urban areas, his phone worked fine. China has full CDMA coverage.

Here is the map you're referring to: »www.cdg.org/roaming/general_info···rage.asp

So yes, that section of Europe has not been covered. There's a lot more blue on that map than there is on the T-Mobile or AT&T 3G map however, which was my original point.
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said by Matt3:

said by tiger72:

said by Matt3:

I base this on our CTO who was just in Europe and Asia with his plain old Verizon Motorola Q9c ... he had service everywhere he went.
Then he didn't go to Western or Mediterranean Europe.
Even the CDMA Development Group website shows no CDMA service throughout most of Europe.
I don't know my European Geography well enough to place exactly where he went, but he noted that as long as he stayed in urban areas, his phone worked fine. China has full CDMA coverage.

Here is the map you're referring to: »www.cdg.org/roaming/general_info···rage.asp

So yes, that section of Europe has not been covered. There's a lot more blue on that map than there is on the T-Mobile or AT&T 3G map however, which was my original point.
You, like ATT, are comparing apples to oranges. That CDG map indicates 2g or 3g CDMA. Not just 3g.

Moreover, that includes "trials".

»www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp

Oh, and the few deployments in Europe are on a band not supported by the phone. The Q 9c is only 800/1900, while the deployment in Portugal and Ireland are 450mhz, for example.

I'm actually not aware of any 450/800/1900 CDMA phones.

When it comes down to it, GSM is deployed in every country on the planet. CDMA sees no use in some of our biggest trading partners (like Germany, France, Australia, UK, etc.) Moreover, UMTS/WCDMA is being deployed on top of CDMA in China, Japan, Canada, and Mexico - some of CDMA2000's biggest supporters until now.
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I didn't specify 3G CDMA.

scottwn

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I seem to remember used to have a billboard campaign promoting that your phone would work in Tacoma or Tokyo or something along those lines. Since Americans holds the lowest percentage of passports of developed countries, it only is meaningful to world travelers.


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Re: lol

EDGE can actually be fairly respectable. I've seen speed tests as high as 250kbps with it. But it's a smaller pipe so it saturates quickly, and some middle-of-nowhere towers probably have weak backhaul. Whatever the case, I'm happy to see AT&T coming under fire for poor data coverage. It can only help encourage more deployment that they desperately need!
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Re: Throwing Dirt at Each Other

said by burgerwars:

It's pointless for each company to complain about each other. If AT&T is so bothered by Verizon's ads, then they should do their own. Since almost all of Verizon's phones only work on CDMA, why doesn't AT&T show a map where their phones work all over the globe and Verizon's don't, then claim that Verizon's phones can only be used as "Doorstops in Denmark" (or "Paperweights in Portugal"). They'll probably win that war.
Maybe because this is about the U.S. and NOT other countries??


WTB100MB

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reply to burgerwars
The notable exceptions being the BB Storm and Storm2... they have both CDMA and GSM radios, so they work on either network technology.

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Well, Verizon has world phones available (the Storm series, a few lower-end phones) though the Droid is CDMA only. Also most folks don't go out of the country, and many of AT&T's phones aren't quad-band for global roaming (though the iPhone certainly is).

But yes, AT&T should be releasing ads, not press releases.

iansltx

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I remember those billboards. I've seen whole-wall ads in SAT for AT&T's global-ness.

Too bad I'd just use a prepaid SIM from a non-US provider if I went abroad. I'm not paying $1 per minute for roaming!

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reply to FFH5
Canada also now has excellent HSPA coverage. Too bad a large swath of GSM phones in the US either don't have HSPA at all (AT&T) or don't have phones with 3G in the correct band (T-Mobile).

iansltx

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reply to tiger72
Hmm, 450MHz...bet that reaches a LONG ways

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Re: lol

Pre-3G I was only able to get 70-100 kbps on AT&T EDGE in my area. Better than CDMA 1x, but not impressive to say the least.


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said by iansltx:

Pre-3G I was only able to get 70-100 kbps on AT&T EDGE in my area. Better than CDMA 1x, but not impressive to say the least.
CDMA 1x is closer to 64Kbps (real world) isn't it?
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said by Matt3:

said by iansltx:

Pre-3G I was only able to get 70-100 kbps on AT&T EDGE in my area. Better than CDMA 1x, but not impressive to say the least.
CDMA 1x is closer to 64Kbps (real world) isn't it?
I have an Airave femtocell at home that can do 1xRTT data as well as voice. I do get very close to the max 144 kbps speed thru that usng my Pre on 1xRTT. Of course, when at home I use the Pre's WiFi capability, but I did do some data tests on 1xRTT after turning WiFi off on the phone.

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jvanbrecht

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reply to djrobx
While speed might be an issue, the bigger issue is that 3g, you can use both voice and data at the same time. With Edge, its either Voice, or data, and if you are using data, it sometimes takes a short while for the call to break through and ring (in my case with WinMo phones, it would ring on the callers side 3 to 4 times before the phone would drop the data connection and ring, leaving me with a very short period before the call goes to voicemail).

For some phones, that may be fine, but no so much with the iphone which constantly uses data, or any other device that say talks consistantly with exchange servers and what not...