glinc
join:2009-04-07
New York, NY Reviews:
 ·Verizon FiOS
1 edit | lol "As the U.S. market leader in wireless data service, we typically don't respond to competitors' advertising,"
HAHAHAHAHA! are they out of their mind??? Throw some cash into network improvement and then that statement might be right. They're just milking all they can their customers and keeping the cash in their bank accounts.
I really didn't know how slow EDGE was until I traveled to another country last week and used my Tour on EDGE....that was slowwwww as hell.
There is really no misleading in those ads, AT&T advertise "fastest 3G" and all those 3G ads, Verizon its just advertising the truth about 3G ads. |
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 r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX | US market leader would mean subscribers. Maybe they have more people with data plans than Verizon?
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Throwing Dirt at Each Other It's pointless for each company to complain about each other. If AT&T is so bothered by Verizon's ads, then they should do their own. Since almost all of Verizon's phones only work on CDMA, why doesn't AT&T show a map where their phones work all over the globe and Verizon's don't, then claim that Verizon's phones can only be used as "Doorstops in Denmark" (or "Paperweights in Portugal"). They'll probably win that war. |
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join:2000-10-04
Glen Allen, VA | said by burgerwars:...Since almost all of Verizon's phones only work on CDMA, why doesn't AT&T show a map where their phones work all over the globe and Verizon's don't, then claim that Verizon's phones can only be used as "Doorstops in Denmark." They'll probably win that war. You are a genius...  |
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 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | reply to r81984
Re: lol said by r81984:US market leader would mean subscribers. Maybe they have more people with data plans than Verizon? "Market Leader" is a widely used marketing term that has no legal bearing. If you notice in press releases, EVERY company is a "market leader". Its just a fancy way of not actually saying anything, and it sounds good so some people get confused!
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glinc
join:2009-04-07
New York, NY | reply to burgerwars
Re: Throwing Dirt at Each Other Then they would have to specify which type of phones. Because verizon have global phones also and bragging about the phones you have to work abroad is pointless, since it isn't even your company's own network. First improved your local coverage. |
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dynodbPremium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN | reply to burgerwars
But what percentage of customers are going to care? How many people need to use their cell phone outside the US often enough for it to be a selling point? 2%? 5%?
Also, CDMA coverage internationally is often underestimated. GSM might be dominant in Europe, but that doesn't mean there aren't CDMA carriers as well.
Perhaps a better approach would be promoting the fact that Verizon's CDMA doesn't allow for simultaneous voice and data. |
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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by dynodb:But what percentage of customers are going to care? How many people need to use their cell phone outside the US often enough for it to be a selling point? 2%? 5%? Also, CDMA coverage internationally is often underestimated. GSM might be dominant in Europe, but that doesn't mean there aren't CDMA carriers as well. Perhaps a better approach would be promoting the fact that Verizon's CDMA doesn't allow for simultaneous voice and data. CDMA is deploy as well internationally as GSM 3G is here in the US. That is, if you stick to relatively urban areas, you'll have CDMA coverage.
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said by burgerwars:It's pointless for each company to complain about each other. If AT&T is so bothered by Verizon's ads, then they should do their own. Since almost all of Verizon's phones only work on CDMA, why doesn't AT&T show a map where their phones work all over the globe and Verizon's don't, then claim that Verizon's phones can only be used as "Doorstops in Denmark" (or "Paperweights in Portugal"). They'll probably win that war. How is that?. 99% of the Verizon users will never take their phone overseas and could care less. That ad would be a waste of money.
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 tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
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tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 Reviews:
 ·T-Mobile US
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said by Matt:said by dynodb:But what percentage of customers are going to care? How many people need to use their cell phone outside the US often enough for it to be a selling point? 2%? 5%? Also, CDMA coverage internationally is often underestimated. GSM might be dominant in Europe, but that doesn't mean there aren't CDMA carriers as well. Perhaps a better approach would be promoting the fact that Verizon's CDMA doesn't allow for simultaneous voice and data. CDMA is deploy as well internationally as GSM 3G is here in the US. That is, if you stick to relatively urban areas, you'll have CDMA coverage. And you base this on what? In portions of Asia this may be the case (assuming the bands are even supported by the US phones, which they typically aren't), but in Europe this isn't even close to the truth.
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said by tiger72:said by glinc:Then they would have to specify which type of phones. Because verizon have global phones also and bragging about the phones you have to work abroad is pointless, since it isn't even your company's own network. First improved your local coverage. It does matter. The fact that you can use your GSM phone throughout countries that Americans travel to frequently for vacations (throughout Canada and Mexico) WITHOUT having to be limited to Verizon and Sprint's tiny (and expensive) selection of dual-radio phones would be a good selling point to many Americans. Canada has excellent CDMA coverage and a Verizon CDMA phone would work just fine there.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to tiger72
said by tiger72:said by Matt:said by dynodb:But what percentage of customers are going to care? How many people need to use their cell phone outside the US often enough for it to be a selling point? 2%? 5%? Also, CDMA coverage internationally is often underestimated. GSM might be dominant in Europe, but that doesn't mean there aren't CDMA carriers as well. Perhaps a better approach would be promoting the fact that Verizon's CDMA doesn't allow for simultaneous voice and data. CDMA is deploy as well internationally as GSM 3G is here in the US. That is, if you stick to relatively urban areas, you'll have CDMA coverage. And you base this on what? In portions of Asia this may be the case (assuming the bands are even supported by the US phones, which they typically aren't), but in Europe this isn't even close to the truth. I base this on our CTO who was just in Europe and Asia with his plain old Verizon Motorola Q9c ... he had service everywhere he went.
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tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 Reviews:
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by tiger72:said by glinc:Then they would have to specify which type of phones. Because verizon have global phones also and bragging about the phones you have to work abroad is pointless, since it isn't even your company's own network. First improved your local coverage. It does matter. The fact that you can use your GSM phone throughout countries that Americans travel to frequently for vacations (throughout Canada and Mexico) WITHOUT having to be limited to Verizon and Sprint's tiny (and expensive) selection of dual-radio phones would be a good selling point to many Americans. Canada has excellent CDMA coverage and a Verizon CDMA phone would work just fine there. yeah I'm not really sure what I was thinking with that post
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tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 Reviews:
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said by Matt:I base this on our CTO who was just in Europe and Asia with his plain old Verizon Motorola Q9c ... he had service everywhere he went. Then he didn't go to Western or Mediterranean Europe.
Even the CDMA Development Group website shows no CDMA service throughout most of Europe.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by tiger72:said by Matt:I base this on our CTO who was just in Europe and Asia with his plain old Verizon Motorola Q9c ... he had service everywhere he went. Then he didn't go to Western or Mediterranean Europe. Even the CDMA Development Group website shows no CDMA service throughout most of Europe. I don't know my European Geography well enough to place exactly where he went, but he noted that as long as he stayed in urban areas, his phone worked fine. China has full CDMA coverage.
Here is the map you're referring to: »www.cdg.org/roaming/general_info···rage.asp
So yes, that section of Europe has not been covered. There's a lot more blue on that map than there is on the T-Mobile or AT&T 3G map however, which was my original point.
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tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| said by Matt:said by tiger72:said by Matt:I base this on our CTO who was just in Europe and Asia with his plain old Verizon Motorola Q9c ... he had service everywhere he went. Then he didn't go to Western or Mediterranean Europe. Even the CDMA Development Group website shows no CDMA service throughout most of Europe. I don't know my European Geography well enough to place exactly where he went, but he noted that as long as he stayed in urban areas, his phone worked fine. China has full CDMA coverage. Here is the map you're referring to: » www.cdg.org/roaming/general_info···rage.aspSo yes, that section of Europe has not been covered. There's a lot more blue on that map than there is on the T-Mobile or AT&T 3G map however, which was my original point. You, like ATT, are comparing apples to oranges. That CDG map indicates 2g or 3g CDMA. Not just 3g.
Moreover, that includes "trials".
»www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp
Oh, and the few deployments in Europe are on a band not supported by the phone. The Q 9c is only 800/1900, while the deployment in Portugal and Ireland are 450mhz, for example.
I'm actually not aware of any 450/800/1900 CDMA phones.
When it comes down to it, GSM is deployed in every country on the planet. CDMA sees no use in some of our biggest trading partners (like Germany, France, Australia, UK, etc.) Moreover, UMTS/WCDMA is being deployed on top of CDMA in China, Japan, Canada, and Mexico - some of CDMA2000's biggest supporters until now.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
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kudos:12 | I didn't specify 3G CDMA. |
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scottwn
join:2004-06-07
Birmingham, AL
1 edit | reply to R4M0N
I seem to remember used to have a billboard campaign promoting that your phone would work in Tacoma or Tokyo or something along those lines. Since Americans holds the lowest percentage of passports of developed countries, it only is meaningful to world travelers. |
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join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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·Verizon Wireless..
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·AT&T U-Verse
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Re: lol EDGE can actually be fairly respectable. I've seen speed tests as high as 250kbps with it. But it's a smaller pipe so it saturates quickly, and some middle-of-nowhere towers probably have weak backhaul. Whatever the case, I'm happy to see AT&T coming under fire for poor data coverage. It can only help encourage more deployment that they desperately need!
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