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Throwing Dirt at Each Other It's pointless for each company to complain about each other. If AT&T is so bothered by Verizon's ads, then they should do their own. Since almost all of Verizon's phones only work on CDMA, why doesn't AT&T show a map where their phones work all over the globe and Verizon's don't, then claim that Verizon's phones can only be used as "Doorstops in Denmark" (or "Paperweights in Portugal"). They'll probably win that war. |
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Glen Allen, VA | said by burgerwars:...Since almost all of Verizon's phones only work on CDMA, why doesn't AT&T show a map where their phones work all over the globe and Verizon's don't, then claim that Verizon's phones can only be used as "Doorstops in Denmark." They'll probably win that war. You are a genius...  |
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glinc
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Then they would have to specify which type of phones. Because verizon have global phones also and bragging about the phones you have to work abroad is pointless, since it isn't even your company's own network. First improved your local coverage. |
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dynodbPremium,VIP
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But what percentage of customers are going to care? How many people need to use their cell phone outside the US often enough for it to be a selling point? 2%? 5%?
Also, CDMA coverage internationally is often underestimated. GSM might be dominant in Europe, but that doesn't mean there aren't CDMA carriers as well.
Perhaps a better approach would be promoting the fact that Verizon's CDMA doesn't allow for simultaneous voice and data. |
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kudos:12 | said by dynodb:But what percentage of customers are going to care? How many people need to use their cell phone outside the US often enough for it to be a selling point? 2%? 5%? Also, CDMA coverage internationally is often underestimated. GSM might be dominant in Europe, but that doesn't mean there aren't CDMA carriers as well. Perhaps a better approach would be promoting the fact that Verizon's CDMA doesn't allow for simultaneous voice and data. CDMA is deploy as well internationally as GSM 3G is here in the US. That is, if you stick to relatively urban areas, you'll have CDMA coverage.
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said by burgerwars:It's pointless for each company to complain about each other. If AT&T is so bothered by Verizon's ads, then they should do their own. Since almost all of Verizon's phones only work on CDMA, why doesn't AT&T show a map where their phones work all over the globe and Verizon's don't, then claim that Verizon's phones can only be used as "Doorstops in Denmark" (or "Paperweights in Portugal"). They'll probably win that war. How is that?. 99% of the Verizon users will never take their phone overseas and could care less. That ad would be a waste of money.
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said by Matt:said by dynodb:But what percentage of customers are going to care? How many people need to use their cell phone outside the US often enough for it to be a selling point? 2%? 5%? Also, CDMA coverage internationally is often underestimated. GSM might be dominant in Europe, but that doesn't mean there aren't CDMA carriers as well. Perhaps a better approach would be promoting the fact that Verizon's CDMA doesn't allow for simultaneous voice and data. CDMA is deploy as well internationally as GSM 3G is here in the US. That is, if you stick to relatively urban areas, you'll have CDMA coverage. And you base this on what? In portions of Asia this may be the case (assuming the bands are even supported by the US phones, which they typically aren't), but in Europe this isn't even close to the truth.
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said by tiger72:said by glinc:Then they would have to specify which type of phones. Because verizon have global phones also and bragging about the phones you have to work abroad is pointless, since it isn't even your company's own network. First improved your local coverage. It does matter. The fact that you can use your GSM phone throughout countries that Americans travel to frequently for vacations (throughout Canada and Mexico) WITHOUT having to be limited to Verizon and Sprint's tiny (and expensive) selection of dual-radio phones would be a good selling point to many Americans. Canada has excellent CDMA coverage and a Verizon CDMA phone would work just fine there.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | reply to tiger72
said by tiger72:said by Matt:said by dynodb:But what percentage of customers are going to care? How many people need to use their cell phone outside the US often enough for it to be a selling point? 2%? 5%? Also, CDMA coverage internationally is often underestimated. GSM might be dominant in Europe, but that doesn't mean there aren't CDMA carriers as well. Perhaps a better approach would be promoting the fact that Verizon's CDMA doesn't allow for simultaneous voice and data. CDMA is deploy as well internationally as GSM 3G is here in the US. That is, if you stick to relatively urban areas, you'll have CDMA coverage. And you base this on what? In portions of Asia this may be the case (assuming the bands are even supported by the US phones, which they typically aren't), but in Europe this isn't even close to the truth. I base this on our CTO who was just in Europe and Asia with his plain old Verizon Motorola Q9c ... he had service everywhere he went.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by tiger72:said by glinc:Then they would have to specify which type of phones. Because verizon have global phones also and bragging about the phones you have to work abroad is pointless, since it isn't even your company's own network. First improved your local coverage. It does matter. The fact that you can use your GSM phone throughout countries that Americans travel to frequently for vacations (throughout Canada and Mexico) WITHOUT having to be limited to Verizon and Sprint's tiny (and expensive) selection of dual-radio phones would be a good selling point to many Americans. Canada has excellent CDMA coverage and a Verizon CDMA phone would work just fine there. yeah I'm not really sure what I was thinking with that post
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said by Matt:I base this on our CTO who was just in Europe and Asia with his plain old Verizon Motorola Q9c ... he had service everywhere he went. Then he didn't go to Western or Mediterranean Europe.
Even the CDMA Development Group website shows no CDMA service throughout most of Europe.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | said by tiger72:said by Matt:I base this on our CTO who was just in Europe and Asia with his plain old Verizon Motorola Q9c ... he had service everywhere he went. Then he didn't go to Western or Mediterranean Europe. Even the CDMA Development Group website shows no CDMA service throughout most of Europe. I don't know my European Geography well enough to place exactly where he went, but he noted that as long as he stayed in urban areas, his phone worked fine. China has full CDMA coverage.
Here is the map you're referring to: »www.cdg.org/roaming/general_info···rage.asp
So yes, that section of Europe has not been covered. There's a lot more blue on that map than there is on the T-Mobile or AT&T 3G map however, which was my original point.
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| said by Matt:said by tiger72:said by Matt:I base this on our CTO who was just in Europe and Asia with his plain old Verizon Motorola Q9c ... he had service everywhere he went. Then he didn't go to Western or Mediterranean Europe. Even the CDMA Development Group website shows no CDMA service throughout most of Europe. I don't know my European Geography well enough to place exactly where he went, but he noted that as long as he stayed in urban areas, his phone worked fine. China has full CDMA coverage. Here is the map you're referring to: » www.cdg.org/roaming/general_info···rage.aspSo yes, that section of Europe has not been covered. There's a lot more blue on that map than there is on the T-Mobile or AT&T 3G map however, which was my original point. You, like ATT, are comparing apples to oranges. That CDG map indicates 2g or 3g CDMA. Not just 3g.
Moreover, that includes "trials".
»www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp
Oh, and the few deployments in Europe are on a band not supported by the phone. The Q 9c is only 800/1900, while the deployment in Portugal and Ireland are 450mhz, for example.
I'm actually not aware of any 450/800/1900 CDMA phones.
When it comes down to it, GSM is deployed in every country on the planet. CDMA sees no use in some of our biggest trading partners (like Germany, France, Australia, UK, etc.) Moreover, UMTS/WCDMA is being deployed on top of CDMA in China, Japan, Canada, and Mexico - some of CDMA2000's biggest supporters until now.
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I seem to remember used to have a billboard campaign promoting that your phone would work in Tacoma or Tokyo or something along those lines. Since Americans holds the lowest percentage of passports of developed countries, it only is meaningful to world travelers. |
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join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA | reply to burgerwars
said by burgerwars:It's pointless for each company to complain about each other. If AT&T is so bothered by Verizon's ads, then they should do their own. Since almost all of Verizon's phones only work on CDMA, why doesn't AT&T show a map where their phones work all over the globe and Verizon's don't, then claim that Verizon's phones can only be used as "Doorstops in Denmark" (or "Paperweights in Portugal"). They'll probably win that war. Maybe because this is about the U.S. and NOT other countries?? |
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The notable exceptions being the BB Storm and Storm2... they have both CDMA and GSM radios, so they work on either network technology. |
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Well, Verizon has world phones available (the Storm series, a few lower-end phones) though the Droid is CDMA only. Also most folks don't go out of the country, and many of AT&T's phones aren't quad-band for global roaming (though the iPhone certainly is).
But yes, AT&T should be releasing ads, not press releases. |
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iansltx
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kudos:2 | reply to scottwn
I remember those billboards. I've seen whole-wall ads in SAT for AT&T's global-ness.
Too bad I'd just use a prepaid SIM from a non-US provider if I went abroad. I'm not paying $1 per minute for roaming! |
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