iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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Re: I buy the pop density equation There's the other argument that Hong Kong is a tiny country and thus offering 100 Mbps service to anyhwere in HK (which is what the service offers) is equivalent to LUSFiber offering 100 Mbit peer to peer speeds on all its plans. HKBB is still cheaper per month than an equivalent LUS plan when viewed in that light, but at that point you can add in the density argument and you've got your answer.
As far as the density argument goes in NYC, it appears as though HK is even more dense. Also, NYC does have Cablevision, which isn't too bad all things considered. If Verizon were to lower their price in NYC though to absurdly low rates like HKBB is doing, they'd be pressured to do the same thing in other less dense markets in the name of fairness. Which they can't do. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | said by iansltx:There's the other argument that Hong Kong is a tiny country and thus offering 100 Mbps service to anyhwere in HK (which is what the service offers) is equivalent to LUSFiber offering 100 Mbit peer to peer speeds on all its plans. HKBB is still cheaper per month than an equivalent LUS plan when viewed in that light, but at that point you can add in the density argument and you've got your answer. Its easy and cheap to offer media maximum speeds on your network. What are the speed to websites outside of HK? You mean I can dump 100mbitps continuously onto Level 3 or Sprint or Verizon Business and never see a hickup in speed? |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | No, out-of-HK speeds are limited to 20 Mbps guaranteed I think. |
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hottboiinnc
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Cablevision only services the Bronx and parts of Brooklyn. The rest of New York City is Time Warner.
In my opinion, the biggest reason you don't see more build and competition in NYC is the agreements made between unions and the city. Everything done in the city has to be done by union workers, which always costs more. And despite the claims, union worksmanship is quite often pretty shoddy because there's not much incentive to do a really good job, because you're not going to get fired. |
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nitzanPremium,VIP
join:2008-02-27
kudos:2 | reply to iansltx
said by iansltx:No, out-of-HK speeds are limited to 20 Mbps guaranteed I think. I don't know about HK - but I'm in Japan right now and have 100mbit service here. To Japanese sites I actually get the promised speed - but for anything outside Japan I'm lucky to get 2mbit.
100mbit sounds nice on paper- but in reality I've had faster service from US ISPs. I guess most Japanese people use mostly Japanese sites so they in essence get the promised speed - but since I use mostly US/international sites - I'm not getting it. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | That's the nice thing about US internet. I can get my 22 Mbps to most places in the US...and, with a decent download manager, most places in the world. Though I visit U.S. sites bandwidth-wise 99% of the time. |
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said by iansltx:If Verizon were to lower their price in NYC though to absurdly low rates like HKBB is doing, they'd be pressured to do the same thing in other less dense markets in the name of fairness. Which they can't do. I don't buy it. It's greed all the way around. I know of FiOS areas that offer 20/20 or 50/50 connections for less than some of their DSL areas. Hell, I'm paying $60/month for 12/1.5 (max for this area -- and 6/1 is actual max I have seen). They are priced per-area already. Pressure means little to them.
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Comcast
| Show me where you're getting your figures from. While 10/2 FiOS is available via DSLExtreme for $0, it isn't cheaper than DSL, just the same price as 7.1/768.
I know Verizon has faster speed tiers in NYC (25/15 and 35/20 instead of 15/5 and 25/15) but just like in other areas their minimum and maximum pricing is similar. Some areas have $90 50/20 where others have $140 50/20 but in either location DSLExtreme offers it for $100. |
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| said by iansltx:Show me where you're getting your figures from. While 10/2 FiOS is available via DSLExtreme for $0, it isn't cheaper than DSL, just the same price as 7.1/768. I know Verizon has faster speed tiers in NYC (25/15 and 35/20 instead of 15/5 and 25/15) but just like in other areas their minimum and maximum pricing is similar. Some areas have $90 50/20 where others have $140 50/20 but in either location DSLExtreme offers it for $100. So you see the issue: Some areas have fiber and much lower price points than areas with DSL and Cable. The entire point of my post. I was not discriminating between technologies. In the end, one area getting more advanced technologies and faster speeds at lower price is not uncommon already. Unfortunately you don't see people out there demanding more (or at least more uniform deployment) yet.
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Or rather, you don't see rural customers signing a petition saying "We'll all get $120 triple play packages if you'll pring fiber at 10 Mbps down, 5 Mbps up out to us." |
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| said by iansltx:Or rather, you don't see rural customers signing a petition saying "We'll all get $120 triple play packages if you'll pring fiber at 10 Mbps down, 5 Mbps up out to us." It's not JUST RURAL areas that are at issue. Smaller towns and cities that are larger than rural areas but not as populated as New York or LA and suburbs outside larger cities are in a relatively similar boat.
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Seems like suburbia in Verizon territory is getting wired for FiOS pretty quickly. However when you've got a backward ILEC fiber-wise (AT&T or Qwest) you're rather hosed. |
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| said by iansltx:Seems like suburbia in Verizon territory is getting wired for FiOS pretty quickly. However when you've got a backward ILEC fiber-wise (AT&T or Qwest) you're rather hosed. Only companies in this area: AT&T and Local Cable co (local cable co, less than a mile from here is TW territory)
Less than a mile from here, only internet co: Cable co (Telco AT&T does not offer DSL that far from main roads).
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