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|   jester121Premium
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: How many people want it? I have 100/100 in all the offices at work, and some even have gigabit. What's the big deal? Seriously, what am I missing? | |
| |  gatorkramKaBOOM BabyPremium
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| Re: How many people want it? said by jester121:I have 100/100 in all the offices at work, and some even have gigabit. What's the big deal? Seriously, what am I missing? I seriously doubt you have gigE WAN connections out to the internet.
And....
There is a big difference between having those types of speeds at work, vs having them at home.
If you don't know what you are missing, then I guess you are part of the crowed who has no desire for higher speeds.
If we all had 100/100 connections at home, the types of services that could be offered, are almost unlimited. Tons of different types of entertainment, like tv shows, movies, interactive games, interactive communications, the list could go on and on.
The root of the thing is this, until we HAVE the connections, we won't really KNOW what might be thought up by someone..
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| | | jester121Premium
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| Re: How many people want it? said by gatorkram:If we all had 100/100 connections at home, the types of services that could be offered, are almost unlimited. Tons of different types of entertainment, like tv shows, Got it. Got it. Got it. said by gatorkram: interactive communications, Got it. said by gatorkram: the list could go on and on. It does? It seems like it gets to 4 and then stops. I don't need 100Mbps, or even 50. Standard Comcast does just fine.
I'm not saying we won't have it some day, and it will be great I'm sure, but it's certainly not a travesty. | |
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New Orleans, LA | Re: How many people want it? Games, Movies, Video Chat, TV, Music, and many other things (as if those things weren't big enough in itself)
As someone with 1/20th of 100mpbs, I would die for such a connection as I can't get them with what I have....takes too long | |
| | | | gatorkramKaBOOM BabyPremium
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| It's hard to dream about things you don't know about...
Just one example, that comes to mind, for me...
Ever watch the news? When they have an interview, and both people can see each other in real time, and have perfectly flawless interactions..
Right now, we can't even come close to that.
Now add 5 more people..
10?
15?
Maybe you have no desire to do this, but you have to agree it would be cool if you could.
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| | | | | jester121Premium
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| Re: How many people want it? said by gatorkram:Maybe you have no desire to do this, but you have to agree it would be cool if you could. They do it on those cheesy Cisco commercials, so it must be widely available and easy!  | |
| | | | | | gatorkramKaBOOM BabyPremium
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| Re: How many people want it? said by jester121:said by gatorkram:Maybe you have no desire to do this, but you have to agree it would be cool if you could. They do it on those cheesy Cisco commercials, so it must be widely available and easy! Yeah, if you have the bandwidth to do it.
Those commercials, are marketed towards business, to cut down on having to fly all over the place to get things done.
The connections are obviously available, but not to the average home user.
In a business district, you could have gigE speeds if you had the money to get it. Heck, even an OC3 is 155mbits
Even aiming for 100/100 at home, is really slow, considering what technology is out there. We have had 100/100 LAN connections in the home for as far back as I can remember.
What this country really needs, is a not-for-profit last mile provider.
This is the kind of project, that just needs tons of money tossed at it, without worrying when it will turn a profit.
This is the kind of project, that should be compared to when we built all the high ways around the country. We didn't really need them then, but we sure do now.
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| | | | | | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: How many people want it? said by gatorkram:Even aiming for 100/100 at home, is really slow, considering what technology is out there. We have had 100/100 LAN connections in the home for as far back as I can remember. What this country really needs, is a not-for-profit last mile provider. This is the kind of project, that just needs tons of money tossed at it, without worrying when it will turn a profit. This is the kind of project, that should be compared to when we built all the high ways around the country. We didn't really need them then, but we sure do now. Utilities should never be for profit businesses. Imagine if a hospital was a real for-profit business. First 2 days on ventilator $200 a day. Days 2-5 $300 a day, Days 5-14 $1000, days 14-60 $1800 a day. Don't pay? termination time, literally.
But the above doesn't work because of the insurance company and hospital relationship.
Imagine if the power company was able to raise rates however high it wants with zero oversight by the PUC. Remember the power company can use the health/building department to condemn any house without electricity as "unfit for human habitation". Do you have a choice to pay the pied piper now?
Imagine if all roads were toll roads. You can't get off your property without money unless you accept their "traffic financing" plan with 69.99% APR. | |
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1 edit | Re: How many people want it? said by patcat88:Imagine if a hospital was a real for-profit business. First 2 days on ventilator $200 a day. Days 2-5 $300 a day, Days 5-14 $1000, days 14-60 $1800 a day. Don't pay? termination time, literally. Bad example. Most are real for-profit businesses and they do make health decisions based on cost. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: How many people want it? said by Romney2012:said by patcat88:Imagine if a hospital was a real for-profit business. First 2 days on ventilator $200 a day. Days 2-5 $300 a day, Days 5-14 $1000, days 14-60 $1800 a day. Don't pay? termination time, literally. Bad example. Most are real for-profit businesses and they do make health decisions based on cost. Hospitals and healthcare is at the mercy of the prices insurance companies and the government sets. Loosing or having insurance affiliation revoked is a death sentence for a hospital. Most hospitals are non-profits so they can negotiate cost-plus billing with the government and insurance companies rather than take the "official" rates. Hospitals are never allowed by their insurance affiliation contracts to bill the customers for the difference between insurance reimbursement price and the hospital's self-pay/official price. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Yes, but the biggest power company in Southern CA DOES have different price tiers based on consumption. Or at least they did in 2006 when I got a $500 bill for one month worth of A.C. usage. SoCal Edison had a baseline usage rate, then an overage rate. Of course the baseline was cheap but the thresh hold was really low. Then there were several higher tiers and prices. If you wanted to be comfortable ( @ 83 degrees), you were going to be penalize. I "believe" that this has been stopped as this all happened during rolling blackouts and deregulation. I do agree with you, though, utilities like power, water, and internet shold never be for profit or should be heavily regulated. | |
| | | | | | | | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: How many people want it? said by jjeffeory:Yes, but the biggest power company in Southern CA DOES have different price tiers based on consumption. Or at least they did in 2006 when I got a $500 bill for one month worth of A.C. usage. SoCal Edison had a baseline usage rate, then an overage rate. Of course the baseline was cheap but the thresh hold was really low. Then there were several higher tiers and prices. If you wanted to be comfortable ( @ 83 degrees), you were going to be penalize. I "believe" that this has been stopped as this all happened during rolling blackouts and deregulation. I do agree with you, though, utilities like power, water, and internet shold never be for profit or should be heavily regulated. And then the utility companies claim they are saving the environment by having such high rates, and the PUC cheers them on. | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: How many people want it? Right, but they're not saving the environment. They're lining the pockets of someone up high.
...and trying to sleep in 83 degree weather really sucks. Even if it's in a dryer area. Those tiers were horrible and they caused us to move away from SoCal for a couple of years. | |
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Smyrna, GA | gator let me pick a nit, if I may 
Yes, an Oc-3 is approx 155 M line speed, but your data is contained in what is known as the SPE, or SONET Payload Envelope which is 140M. Same is true in the SDH world.
Now back to this very interesting thread!
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| | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | said by jester121:I don't need 100Mbps, or even 50. Standard Comcast does just fine. But I want that content NOW! not 6 hours from now. I want the internet to be as fast as my HD. | |
| | | | | | You're missing out on high quality video. I have Uverse in SoCal, which is an IP based television solution and the compression on even the HD channels pales compared to what Fios offers. Sometimes it's just soft, sometimes it's blocky, sometimes it's bad. We can only record 2 HD shows in the whole house at one time. Sometimes there are 3 shows on at the same time that we'd like to record, but we miss those programs because of the limitations. Also, the internet slows down pretty good when all the recording is going on. We have the 18/1.5 service, which is really 25/2 ( video gets 7mbps). If we had 100/100, we could do A LOT more, such as record more programs at a time ( It's amazing that we can find 3 things we want to record at once, but it's feast or famine) and still do other things with the connection. | |
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If we all had 100/100 connections at home, the types of services that could be offered, are almost unlimited. Tons of different types of entertainment, like tv shows, movies, interactive games, interactive communications, the list could go on and on.
OK. Apparently they all have those connections in Hong Kong. So what services are being offered in Hong Kong that are not offered here? | |
| | | | gatorkramKaBOOM BabyPremium
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| Re: How many people want it? said by massysett: quote:
If we all had 100/100 connections at home, the types of services that could be offered, are almost unlimited. Tons of different types of entertainment, like tv shows, movies, interactive games, interactive communications, the list could go on and on.
OK. Apparently they all have those connections in Hong Kong. So what services are being offered in Hong Kong that are not offered here? No idea. I am sure someone could find out if they wanted.
Look at cell phones in Japan. They do things with them, people in the US don't even think about. I see stories about it all the time.
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| | | | | | | Re: How many people want it? quote:
They do things with them, people in the US don't even think about. I see stories about it all the time.
Like what?
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_m···_culture
View YouTube videos? VZ Droid can do that. Navigation by GPS? That too. Email? Wow.
Just as I thought. People sitting around whining about broadband speeds really have no idea why anyone should sink enormous amounts of money into getting everyone 100 Mbps broadband. I will now go back to doing all the things that I find perfectly doable with my dreadfully slow, pathetic broadband. | |
| | | | | | gatorkramKaBOOM BabyPremium
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| Re: How many people want it? Almost everything people do today, with their entertainment, is static. The entertainment has already been produced, and is force fed to us.
Why would any of those companies, producing this static entertainment want you or me to be able to do the same thing?
What if we could do it even better? What if we could do it in real time, and have real interactivity?
I don't know how else to wake you up. If you can't see the potential then my words sure aren't going to wake you up to it.
What is your favorite tv show? Why isn't it interactive? Why don't they produce it live, and in real time?
What is your favorite kind of music? What is your favorite band? Wouldn't it be cool, if they could just put on a concert whenever they wished, and deliver it all over the world, in real time, and what if you could interact with them, and anyone else watching, in real time, video, audio, whatever..
Think about what we do today, for entertainment, and why.
Then think about how it could be different, if everyone with a computer, and a decent webcam could be all making their own entertainment for world wide consumption. Not static, but fully interactive, and in realtime..
Open your mind, and dream.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: How many people want it? said by gatorkram:What is your favorite tv show? Why isn't it interactive? Why don't they produce it live, and in real time? Many tv shows just cannot be produced in real time, let alone be interactive. Tv show production is a very lengthy and complex process. Framing, shooting, multiple takes, audio work, post-processing, copyright paperwork, and the list goes on. Tv shows take much much longer to produce than their simple 30 minute or 1 hour long play time. | |
| | | | | | | |  C_Kill The SocialistsPremium
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kudos:3 | Re: How many people want it? said by Anonman :said by gatorkram:What is your favorite tv show? Why isn't it interactive? Why don't they produce it live, and in real time? Many tv shows just cannot be produced in real time, let alone be interactive. Tv show production is a very lengthy and complex process. Framing, shooting, multiple takes, audio work, post-processing, copyright paperwork, and the list goes on. Tv shows take much much longer to produce than their simple 30 minute or 1 hour long play time. please stop bringing common sense into the argument
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join:2002-04-14
Wyoming, MI | More interactive entertainment would probably take less bandwidth. Assuming it would be rendered on the consuming device rather than being sent as a video stream. | |
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| | | | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Only starting now in 2009. Japan was doing that in 2005.
asian 7 megapixel cameraphone by samsung in 2005
»images.trustedreviews.com/images···hone.jpg
Why don't I see anything close in the USA? In 2009 5 megapixel is bleeding edge. Pathetic. | |
| | | | | | | gatorkramKaBOOM BabyPremium
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| Re: How many people want it? said by patcat88:Only starting now in 2009. Japan was doing that in 2005. asian 7 megapixel cameraphone by samsung in 2005 » images.trustedreviews.com/images···hone.jpgWhy don't I see anything close in the USA? In 2009 5 megapixel is bleeding edge. Pathetic. The mobile market is another whole thing. It suffers much of the same limitations as the home market though.
You could make all the same arguments though, as to why we need more, and the same people would say we don't need it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: How many people want it? Cancelled/never released by AT&T. Another engineer sample trashed because it will upset the status quo and not leave any hidden cards for a cell carrier to play in the future. Can't let the sheep know there are things many generations ahead of the latest premier $200 with 2 year contract phone the carrier is hawking. Very few if anyone grey imports phones into the USA. Everyone always goes to the carrier to get their phone, even with GSM, because its cheaper after the contract and a more unified walled garden experience (phone has carrier specific firmware). CDMA users are out of luck unless they want to hack the ESN of their phone.
How do I explain to Customs that that phone is not counterfeit/illegal? And euro GSM only too. | |
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| | | | | | | Look at my previous comment regarding Uverse. It's IP based, and I'm limited with it because of the speed of the connection. I'm limited in video quality and number of streams ( for the DVR and watching). There's one good example for you. | |
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| said by massysett: quote:
If we all had 100/100 connections at home, the types of services that could be offered, are almost unlimited. Tons of different types of entertainment, like tv shows, movies, interactive games, interactive communications, the list could go on and on.
OK. Apparently they all have those connections in Hong Kong. So what services are being offered in Hong Kong that are not offered here? Spam and phishing services! don't you get it!
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kudos:4 | said by gatorkram:I think a large part of the problem, is the disconnect between the people who WANT 100/100 and the people who don't realize how much our lives could change if they GOT 100/100. Please. Enlighten us. | |
| | gatorkramKaBOOM BabyPremium
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| Re: How many people want it? said by Romney2012:said by gatorkram:I think a large part of the problem, is the disconnect between the people who WANT 100/100 and the people who don't realize how much our lives could change if they GOT 100/100. Please. Enlighten us. Use your imagination...
This is the problem right now, we are so limited with what we know we can do now, with the very limited speeds we have, that we dare not dream what could be possible if we had virtually unlimited speeds..
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| | | DesdinovaPremium
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Gaithersburg, MD | Re: How many people want it? I agree. I'm constantly amused by folks I know who don't understand why I'd want that speed. These are the same people who ten years ago didn't understand why I had "the interwebs" and now use it on a regular basis and couldn't imagine life without it. | |
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| | I have 1gig to my desktop at work. To a switch with multiple one gig connections to 2 routers that have 100Gigs of bandwidth to the Internet, each.
I don't see how 100/100 at home would change my life. I have 15/2 at home, can get everything I need pretty quickly. Even most sites I go to, I don't even get the full 15 down. The ones I do, it's quick enough.
Faster speeds at home would occasionally help, but life-changing? Not as I see it. | |
| | gatorkramKaBOOM BabyPremium
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| Re: How many people want it? said by skuv :
I have 1gig to my desktop at work. To a switch with multiple one gig connections to 2 routers that have 100Gigs of bandwidth to the Internet, each.
I don't see how 100/100 at home would change my life. I have 15/2 at home, can get everything I need pretty quickly. Even most sites I go to, I don't even get the full 15 down. The ones I do, it's quick enough.
Faster speeds at home would occasionally help, but life-changing? Not as I see it.
Yeah, 15 down isn't bad, and 2 up, is ok, but why not 15/15?
Most people are stuck on much less upstream, like myself, which is 768 up, and is very limiting.
If all you ever want to do, is use other peoples content online, then sure, you don't need more upstream, but if you did, you'd quickly find even 2mbit up is slow.
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