| Need a GREAT wireless Router - Stream & Torrents I currently have a D-link DIR-635 wireless router and 50 Mbit/s cable modem. I have the 4 wire ports connected to 3 computers and a NAS. The NAS has a bit torrent client which I use frequently. I wireless stream videos and music from the NAS to my TV via a PS3.
The problems I am facing are:
1. I frequently get a DNLC error with the playstation when streaming videos
2. I frequently get disconnected from the media Server (NAS) when watching videos
3. With my laptop, I get errors that page cannot be loaded - even though the wireless signal is strong and I am connected to the router
4. If I have torrents running on the NAS, I have super slow speeds when connecting to work via VPN
So this makes me think the router is not strong enough to serve 2+ wireless clients (PS3, Laptop and Phone) as well as to manage the bit torrent downloads.
Can you tell me if the D-link DIR-635 is the problem and if so, what is a better router?
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kudos:1 | said by schlange:I currently have a D-link DIR-635 wireless router and 50 Mbit/s cable modem. I have the 4 wire ports connected to 3 computers and a NAS. The NAS has a bit torrent client which I use frequently. I wireless stream videos and music from the NAS to my TV via a PS3. The problems I am facing are: 1. I frequently get a DNLC error with the playstation when streaming videos 2. I frequently get disconnected from the media Server (NAS) when watching videos 3. With my laptop, I get errors that page cannot be loaded - even though the wireless signal is strong and I am connected to the router 4. If I have torrents running on the NAS, I have super slow speeds when connecting to work via VPN So this makes me think the router is not strong enough to serve 2+ wireless clients (PS3, Laptop and Phone) as well as to manage the bit torrent downloads. Can you tell me if the D-link DIR-635 is the problem and if so, what is a better router? Thanks DIR-635 [LAN1] ---- [LAN1] dedicated external 10/100 switch 8-16 port
Since this router doesn't offer gig ports your limited to 6/60mbps. But your doing torrents and I guess you're moving large files around your network. Then I would suggest getting either DIR-825 with gig ports that also has more RAM than what you have and faster NPU an enhancement chipsets.
Or you can jump on the current bandwagon for Netgear WNDR3700 which touts 680MHz NPU and 64MB of RAM. I say the min in RAM is 32MB today. 16MB just starts to choke with you download large mb/s torrents, stream media audio/video in Gig over the network wired and (AGN) wireless at the same time.
If you do get another router like a gig I say also to dedicate the connections using external switch they usually have larger packet data buffers 128K, 144K, 512K, 1.5MB, 4MB and large Mac address table of 8K, bandwidth backbone of up to 16-48GB up to 24port switch.
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This is the way I do it. Now if you have G on your network isolate G from N. To do that you'll need to have two AP one for G and one for N. The router would also be considered a AP. If you have 100mbps devices same rules apply isolate them from Gig 1000mbps connections. You want to minimize through-put loss and thus be able to view play online game battles with other users around the world, view videos or watch LIVE TV via SageTV HTPC, listen to music, download torrents, surf wireless or wired, whichever way you going to do it.
I see you mentioned VOIP and VPN. Yes all can be handled above. Also WPAN (for bluetooth wireless personal area networking) |
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D-Link. Bottom Shelf.
Suggest you get a w-router with QoS so you can force torrents and the like to be low priority. ZyXel makes good ones for this.
Best to do file streaming/downloads if ever-present, on wired, not wireless connections.
But since you say torrents are running on a NAS, assumed to be connected by wire, then your issue would be insufficient capacity/speed from your ISP, and/or your expectations are too high. |
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kudos:1 | said by stevech0:D-Link. Bottom Shelf. Suggest you get a w-router with QoS so you can force torrents and the like to be low priority. ZyXel makes good ones for this. Best to do file streaming/downloads if ever-present, on wired, not wireless connections. But since you say torrents are running on a NAS, assumed to be connected by wire, then your issue would be insufficient capacity/speed from your ISP, and/or your expectations are too high. Name me a store you see D-LINK on the bottom shelf? Those who buy D-LINK seem to stick with it. That other brand you mention no better than the rest of them they all have their faults. |
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| Bottom shelf was meant figuratively, as in quality.
The only ones who seem to be sticking with D-Link judging by the forum here are those who already blew the budget on one and can't afford to swap.
The Zywall line would serve the OP quite well - robust and reliable even when taxed. |
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1 edit | said by No_Strings:Bottom shelf was meant figuratively, as in quality. The only ones who seem to be sticking with D-Link judging by the forum here are those who already blew the budget on one and can't afford to swap. The Zywall line would serve the OP quite well - robust and reliable even when taxed. I thought you had a D-LINK as well? Well those who had purchased DIR-655 got hit hard being that was the most popular Wireless N Router for it's time. Now again with Netgear WNDR3700 at $159 bucks pretty steep to pay.
Belkin Double N+ is coming V3 Standard N Certified should be dual band I don't know if it would be but uses Broadcom XLR chipset. Or a Multi-Stream N Router. |
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| Never owned a D-Link.
Belkin Quadruple Q Qualcomm Quagmire wireless chipset or whatever is immaterial. The OP is looking for something that will handle:
Streaming data
BitTorrent (1000's of connections)
High throughput
These kinds of loads tend to send consumer grade gear into TU mode whether due to exhausting the connection pool, poor firmware, insufficient memory or combination of the above. |
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kudos:1 | said by No_Strings:Never owned a D-Link. Belkin Quadruple Q Qualcomm Quagmire wireless chipset or whatever is immaterial. The OP is looking for something that will handle: Streaming data BitTorrent (1000's of connections) High throughput These kinds of loads tend to send consumer grade gear into TU mode whether due to exhausting the connection pool, poor firmware, insufficient memory or combination of the above. Did you say 1,000 connections! |
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kudos:2 | reply to schlange
The problem here really is the torrents. The router has to hold the NAT table in memory with all concurrent connections. Do you know what settings you can tweak on the NAS BT client as far as connection limits go? Lower it way down (ie try 500 at first) and your DIR-635 would probably behave just fine.
This alone is what causes #1, 3, & 4.
#2 should be purely based on L2 ethernet switching performance and you should see 100mbps (well ~80mbps after overhead). Either the NAS really needs a gbit switch or perhaps it can't handle BT and streaming at the same time?
With 50mbps cable, constant streaming, and all the sorts I'd personally upgrade to a commercial grade router like pFsense. You can have over 100,000 concurrent connections. Most Dlink/Linksys etc crap out somewhere between 1000-4000 connections. |
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said by schlange:I currently have a D-link DIR-635 wireless router and 50 Mbit/s cable modem. I have the 4 wire ports connected to 3 computers and a NAS. The NAS has a bit torrent client which I use frequently. I wireless stream videos and music from the NAS to my TV via a PS3. Based on your needs -- and specifically Stream & Torrents --my suggestion is that you consider the DrayTek Vigor 2930N
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ZyXel is very popular for QoS and advanced features. |
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I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record on this, but I've such great results that I can't help it!
I personally, VERY HIGHLY recommend Belkin's N+. I upgraded from a D-link b/g and had HUGE speed increases and have had it for many months now with NO problems.
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kudos:1 | said by fonzbear2000:I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record on this, but I've such great results that I can't help it! I personally, VERY HIGHLY recommend Belkin's N+. I upgraded from a D-link b/g and had HUGE speed increases and have had it for many months now with NO problems. No you're not I have to agree with you I stream media to network media boxes. Today you can stream to your HDTV with LAN or Blue-Ray with BD LAN link. This router has it all.
266MHz NPU
32MB DDR2
8MB Flash
832KB Patch Buffer in the Gig Controller from Realtek
USB 2.0 for NAS storeage. Very easy to get to that drive over the network \\router IP and that's it. Bang your in the network drive. WD Passports work the best with this router.
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2 edits | We're talking streams and Torrents - and the first consideration should, of course, be your ISP provided speed. I pay a lot (per me) for cable modem speeds: 20+Mbps down (but no Internet hosts will deliver that), and 1Mbps up.
Does Belkin N+ NAS via USB do like all the rest: Uses SMB and the drive must be formatted as FAT not NTFS? Some Linuxes finally can read and write NTFS despite Microsoft, so I thought that this may now have appeared in the SMB-NASes of low cost consumer goodies.
In that price range, I think now or soon you can get an 11n 20/40MHz dual band product from one of the good manufacturers.
The N+ is 2.4GHz only. |
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1 edit | said by stevech0:We're talking streams and Torrents - and the first consideration should, of course, be your ISP provided speed. I pay a lot (per me) for cable modem speeds: 20+Mbps down (but no Internet hosts will deliver that), and 1Mbps up. Does Belkin N+ NAS via USB do like all the rest: Uses SMB and the drive must be formatted as FAT not NTFS? Some Linuxes finally can read and write NTFS despite Microsoft, so I thought that this may now have appeared in the SMB-NASes of low cost consumer goodies. In that price range, I think now or soon you can get an 11n 20/40MHz dual band product from one of the good manufacturers. The N+ is 2.4GHz only. I format my WD Passport to NTFS and used it with the Belkin N+ which goes quicker when I had used it that way. When you connect the drive it shows up in Network Places as Belkin N+ click on that icon and up pops in my case WD 250GB USB. I also have stick (jump USB those are either FAT or FAT32 and also have multi reader for SDHC/MicroSDHC which can also be used here with the Belkin N+ Why stop there you can use your Camera via a USB to get to your stored pictures or your MP3 player or MP4 or MP5 for video. Yep it works that easy.
Now why don't you think you're getting the top rated speed from your ISP. You say 20+ down? I exceed that even though the Powerboost can bring me to this on my 20mbps
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Now why don't you think you're getting the top rated speed from your ISP. You say 20+ down? I exceed that even though the Powerboost can bring me to this on my 20mbps
I do think my cable modem is as good as it gets with the only ISP I can choose, for cable. Uverse is here but it is silly-stupid, esp. for TV, based on what I've seen at neighbors. What can you expect for 40 year old twisted pair copper?
With SpeedTest specified servers, 20-30Mbps, and as we know, this Cox/TimeWarner speed boost is 10 seconds or so at the higher DOCSIS modulation order, then fall back to 10Mbps or so). I've yet to find an Internet Host that will do 20Mbps downloads! Once in a while I find one that does 8Mbps. Most are 1Mbps or less. Probably throttled by their hosting service due to price of bandwidth use.
Cox seems to give more value than Time Warner. They both use the same DOCSIS versions. It's just policy.
I wish I lived in an ex-GTE area, so FIOS would come here. It never will, us being ex-PACBELL.
It does amaze me that we're getting this much speed for the prices we pay, considering T1's still sell for $500 a month or so. |
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kudos:1 | said by stevech0: quote:
Now why don't you think you're getting the top rated speed from your ISP. You say 20+ down? I exceed that even though the Powerboost can bring me to this on my 20mbps
I do think my cable modem is as good as it gets with the only ISP I can choose, for cable. Uverse is here but it is silly-stupid, esp. for TV, based on what I've seen at neighbors. What can you expect for 40 year old twisted pair copper? With SpeedTest specified servers, 20-30Mbps, and as we know, this Cox/TimeWarner speed boost is 10 seconds or so at the higher DOCSIS modulation order, then fall back to 10Mbps or so). I've yet to find an Internet Host that will do 20Mbps downloads! Once in a while I find one that does 8Mbps. Most are 1Mbps or less. Probably throttled by their hosting service due to price of bandwidth use. Cox seems to give more value than Time Warner. They both use the same DOCSIS versions. It's just policy. I wish I lived in an ex-GTE area, so FIOS would come here. It never will, us being ex-PACBELL. It does amaze me that we're getting this much speed for the prices we pay, considering T1's still sell for $500 a month or so. When I had purchased this house 3 years ago the connection to the street pole was not here. So when Cox came out they had to run a new drop line 11 gauge along with their bucket truck for 2 hrs. So now I have new line drop and 8 different HDTV RG6 2.3GHz ultra coax connections with digital ends connectors.
Now my cable modem doesn't share the phone line like most do today. I am not saying it jerry rigged. High gain power booster is in the main junction box for Cox outside that taps into 4 connections plus there is extra one for a direct line to the cable modem Webstar specs are 43mbps down. My throughput is strong here. I had some issues with more than one HDTV signals but with a couple of more tech visits they finally solved that one by adding another 4-line power over coax to AC outlet. To manage the additional 4 lines so really it's 9 lines plus the one for the cable modem. Again I had them replace all the old dried up RG59 coax lines. That had taken them a couple of days.
As for Fiber I was told that would be here soon. I am still waiting as I wanted to add more HDTV DVR to my home. I can only have 2 of them. Bummer  |
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| I live in a Townhouse, one of four single story per building. As luck would have it, I'm 4-away from the demarcation point. So there's a 100 ft. old RG58 from me to there, and I cannot replace it. |
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kudos:1 | said by stevech0:I live in a Townhouse, one of four single story per building. As luck would have it, I'm 4-away from the demarcation point. So there's a 100 ft. old RG58 from me to there, and I cannot replace it. My prior location was a 2 story townhouse, there I had Comcast for cable but not for internet I had stuck with SBC Yahoo DSL as I had them for Dial-up prior to that. My recent to South Florida home I had to get Comcast in to install Internet. Boy so expensive, as they charge $31 up front money to add another line per line if you wanted. I ended up with some sort of coax and digital phone cable modem so the phone attaches to that. The house has old RG59 surrounding the house, but they use 900mhz - 1000Ghz line splitters. I had wanted him to remove the lines to RG6 Ultra Shield 2.3GHz. Wasn't going to happen and also I was told I could do it myself since all the lines on the house was mine to deal with not them.
Anyway they only have 6mbps down, when I told him I get 20mbps plus the boost to 30/40mbp down he said no way would I get such speeds here.
I did ran some speed test and found he was wrong they have 20mbps down. |
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4 edits | It took me 3+ years to get Time Warner to take sympathy on me and go into my neighbor-townhouse attic and check. They did so, and found a mistaken 4 way splitter in my coax as it passed through that house, installed 20 years ago. TimeWarner insists that the in-attic coax, though not in my attic, is the homeowners' responsibility. The homeowner's association blew me off several times insisting that "no one else has an issue with TV". Grr. The basic problem here is, again, the City allowed the builder to to run TV/phone cables like that, creating a trespass issue.
Yes, I don't think any Cable Modem DOCSIS is achieving more than 20-30Mbps downstream, since the proliferated version of DOCSIS with QAM256 yields, at the IP layer, less than 30Mbps. I suspect that the "speedboost" that they're doing is switching to QAM256 for 10 seconds or so, then back to QAM64.
The SpeedTest.net thing gives a false impression since its test is brief.
DOCSIS 3 may be proliferated if the monopolistic cable companies feel threatened by FIOS, if it could become more widespread in the regions that are ex-RBOCs rather than ex-GTE. |
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