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 MashikiBalking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON | reply to maartena
Re: The king is dead.... I expect a rise in more private darknets but that's just me. Add darknet, dash of encryption it's all good. | |
 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by Mashiki:I expect a rise in more private darknets but that's just me. Add darknet, dash of encryption it's all good. These have existed in the past and have failed for various reasons. First and foremost is there is nothing to prevent a law enforcement agency from infiltrating the darknet. Unless you vet the real life identities of the members you have no way of knowing who is a fed and who isn't. And if you adopt a stringent policy for new members, you'll artificially restrict how large your pool of resources can grow. It's a classic catch-22. The same scenario existed in the BBS days and they were taken down left and right.
While people generally have a sense that the government is staffed by bumbling idiots, I assure you they have some of the smartest talent available and most importantly, they can compel a private company to actions a normal citizen can't.
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MashikiBalking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON Reviews:
 ·Bright House
·TekSavvy Cable
| That`s why they`re highly popular in Asia and have been for the last 5-6 years or so. Sadly the infrastructure in North America doesn`t support nets in that particular fashion. Darknets can grow through transient methods while still providing a high level of anonymity. BBS`s I`d say where unique in a different way however, those were closed for the most part unless you were noded. A modern darknet doesn`t fall into the same rules, as it can be segmented.
I`ve worked with people in government. Let me say that most are bumbling idiots. The ones I respect are the ones that don`t have the resources to make due, and get the job done very well. | |
MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by Mashiki:That`s why they`re highly popular in Asia and have been for the last 5-6 years or so. Sadly the infrastructure in North America doesn`t support nets in that particular fashion. Darknets can grow through transient methods while still providing a high level of anonymity. BBS`s I`d say where unique in a different way however, those were closed for the most part unless you were noded. A modern darknet doesn`t fall into the same rules, as it can be segmented. I`ve worked with people in government. Let me say that most are bumbling idiots. The ones I respect are the ones that don`t have the resources to make due, and get the job done very well. I'm not referring to FidoNet or any of the mail nets. The real piracy was on closed systems where you had to prove you were "elite" by providing references to other systems you already had access to, similar to the way closed torrent sites work now.
The thing everyone seems to overlook, is if you or I can get access, how hard do you think it is for a Fed working undercover? Sure they may be popular in Asia, but so is street-side bootleg DVDs. In other words, their government doesn't really care. Any moreso than our government cares that you're pirating manga.
As far as government employees being bumbling idiots, I had a friend who decided he was going to be cool and become a carder. He got a hold of a federal judge's credit card and the Secret Service paid him a visit. If you think anything but full system encryption will hide your local data, you're mistaken. Even then, these days they'd likely just siphon your traffic off from the ISP. It's not hard to piece the breadcrumbs together if you are determined and have the resources.
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MashikiBalking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON Reviews:
·Bright House
·TekSavvy Cable
| Closed systems weren't even closed, they had their own internal net which is why someone got nailed eventually. Sites got dumped, and people went underground. Being 'elite' was always a laugh, seriously. That wasn't where it was at, it never was.
A lot harder then you think. Because we all know that private nets are a dime a dozen or something, well maybe they are. Selling bootleg dvd's is a popular past time in the US too. I've seen it quite often in my travels in the US. And you'd be surprised at the magna.
Good for him for wanting to be a carder, but here's a tip. If you're that stupid, you deserve what you get for just being an idiot. It's easy to track someone with physical access control. But again, if you run particular names through ISEC database you'll get a visit from a detachment commander too. Well let me think, full system encryption? Yeah I think that would work. Providing that there's no physical access to the machine, a proper faraday cage. You're pretty much screwed. You can siphon off whatever you want, but soon as you start climbing above 256bit encryption at the network level, let me know sometime in 5-10 years when you get somewhere. Besides, no one is going to wait that long. It's all about time, time and money. Money is the big one, oh hell is it ever about money anymore and how much is it going to cost *insert dept/service/division/etc*
Which is why they always go for physical access to figure out who's doing what. In such a case recently in Italy, the government got their ass handed to them because of encryption and the mafia. No physical access control, good luck. | |
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