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Re: Rogers broadband portal delayed? Slinbox or Hava anyone? |
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said by Stewy:The point is that it is a form of digital rights because you will not be able to download it, archive it or view it on another open device. You will only be permitted upon authentication to stream it and will include ad laced management without the ability to FF on whatever the provider deems fit. More like DVE - Digital Vieware Enforcement. Be prepared to view Rogers plugs galore. It's just another form of DRM that will be best suited for the Internet Challenged. Ummm no.. it's ONE ad at the beginning of the clip, and it's no different that any other video service out there at the moment.. including Hulu...
Ad management and DRM are totally separate things.
And besides, if you are already a Rogers customer, it's no extra charge to view your movies and shows on-line. I don't see an issue with DRM. |
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said by andyb:Do they tell you that a 1 hour program will eat about 500mb out of you cap also? How is it different than you watching YouTube vid's for an hour? I don't see the issue here.. especially if there is no additional cost to the subscriber, and you are NOT forced to use the service.
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And besides, if you are already a Rogers customer, it's no extra charge to view your movies and shows on-line.
That is, until March comes around with the yearly rates hike that will be justified as necessary to sustain the new services. But when this services flops within the next few years, we will not see a rate reduction to make up for the loss of the service (see: internet w/ newsgroups, Flickr, etc). |
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 mlernerPremium
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Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | Flickr/Yahoo was a separate issue. Contract expired so Yahoo started removing the premium services. |
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 StewyPremium
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Kitchener, ON | reply to Hello_123
said by Hello_123 :
and it's no different that any other video service out there at the moment.. How is the inability to FF through commercials no different than any other service out there ?
You say that it's one at the beginning but the press release says "in some cases, ads in between segments of shows, just as you'd see through the regular cable channel"
said by Hello_123 :
Ad management and DRM are totally separate things. I don't see an issue with DRM. The Bell Video Store said the same thing and look where it's at now. |
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said by mlerner:Flickr/Yahoo was a separate issue. Contract expired so Yahoo started removing the premium services. We still didn't see compensation in the form of decreased rates for the loss of service. |
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| Rogers provided the "pipe" those were considered Value added services. So in there eyes they are not built into the price.
It would be easier if the did just charge for the connection and do away with all the other crap. IT would keep the costs down and you would haope the price would drop.
I am happy with the price drop for Extreme Plus however. I'm really enjoying my 25mbps service! |
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Looks pretty cool, But i get all this and more @ www.ninjavideo.net , So much better and 720p movies and shows!
Dont think im some sort of ad bot cuz im not. Very glad i upgraded to extreme plus  |
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said by Stewy:said by Hello_123 :
and it's no different that any other video service out there at the moment.. How is the inability to FF through commercials no different than any other service out there ? You say that it's one at the beginning but the press release says "in some cases, ads in between segments of shows, just as you'd see through the regular cable channel" I haven't seen this in the beta, but I do know as of now, the program is not broken up to insert ads. It's one stream... if there are commericals, then it's in-band to the stream and you can FF through them. What the press release says and what technically is happening may not always line up. Anyhow, not saying it won't change, just commenting on how it is currently setup.
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Ad management and DRM are totally separate things. I don't see an issue with DRM. said by Stewy:[ The Bell Video Store said the same thing and look where it's at now. From a systems definition, they are clearly different functions. Ask any industry personal. From a user's perspective, they may not understand the difference, that I can agree with you. |
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said by metalhawk:said by Hello_123 :
And besides, if you are already a Rogers customer, it's no extra charge to view your movies and shows on-line.
That is, until March comes around with the yearly rates hike that will be justified as necessary to sustain the new services. But when this services flops within the next few years, we will not see a rate reduction to make up for the loss of the service (see: internet w/ newsgroups, Flickr, etc). I get your logic, but I don't agree...What if you look at it the other way.. what if Rogers never launched anything like this?? What if their competitors did at no extra cost? Would we be here complaining why Rogers doesn't offer such service?
You make comparisons with other value services that Rogers offered. It should be noted that almost all of them were based on partnerships with 3rd partys.. Yahoo and Flickr being the most notable. Their agreements changed and became unfavorable to Rogers, hence dumping them (except for Yahoo). This video online service is completely built in-house, using a completely different business model.
Also, you assume this will fail in a few years.. I disagree, video is moving away from the TV set and more to any device (PC, Mobile, etc...you name it). If anything, this will continue to evolve and eventually carry everything the TV channels will offer today. The infrastructure is in place to do this. Right now, it's just a few hundred shows here and there... it can grow to replace the entire VOD lineup, PVR, timeshifting, PPV, and all other "on-demand" type videos... That's where the industry is headed. If anything, tradititional TV viewing will be declining. |
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StewyPremium
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it can grow to replace the entire VOD lineup, PVR, timeshifting, PPV, and all other "on-demand" type videos... That's where the industry is headed. If anything, tradititional TV viewing will be declining. Yes but just like DRM MP3's it's eventually going to fail since no one will want it. The hair brains involved with this after spending millions will eventually come to the same conclusions.
The next thing with Internet and TV will be TV Widgets mark my words. |
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mlernerPremium
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kudos:5 | There will still be BDUs like Rogers but it will all move away from cable and satellite onto the internet. As much as we'd all like to see BDUs completely gone, it won't happen until everyone stops watching TV or some form of it and that's still a while away. |
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| To those that say no one wanst this i don't think that is true.There will be people who use this and over time the service could get more and more appealing. |
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mlernerPremium
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kudos:5 | Yup. Look at VOD. Rogers started deploying it, everyone said it was no big deal. Now everyone wants to start getting into VOD. |
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| That is a very good point about the vod some said people won't use it with in 3 years it will fail.Now look at it with out question is a massive money maker and very successful. |
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said by Stewy:Yes but just like DRM MP3's it's eventually going to fail since no one will want it. The hair brains involved with this after spending millions will eventually come to the same conclusions. The next thing with Internet and TV will be TV Widgets mark my words. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but what does TV widgets have to do with Rogers Broadband Portal? It's a completely different thing. TV widgets is a icon bar that overlays on top of your TV set to provide services like Weather, Stocks, games, etc... The online video service Rogers is launching is not meant for the TV, but for the PC. This is apples and oranges comparison.
However, widgets or not, all it shows is that the "TV Set" will be a just monitor in the long term, no different than the monitor on your computer or mobile phone. All TV programming will be customized to the user.
I still don't get your issue with what Rogers is doing and DRM? Currently, you can't purchase or copy the videos from this site, so why are you talking about DRM? This is a streaming video service which can be accessed from any device that supports Flash and has an Internet connection. |
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mlernerPremium
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kudos:5 | reply to mlerner
Portal is launched. All Rogers and Fido customers can receive access. I haven't actually tried it yet but when I went to the registration as was mentioned before there is an option to authenticate by cable modem. When I chose that it spit out the cable TV account and proceeded to ask for other information. I'd be curious to see what system they're using to retrieve the information. |
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I'd be Friendly Lurker if they hadn't shortened the anon name field
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I just signed up for the portal. I used the auto initialize by modem. The rest of the info is a user name and password, valid email address (will need to be confirmed) and a age question to confirm being over 14. I don't believe they needed to ask your date of birth to prove that. I found it to be intrusive. All they needed was a checkbox stating the signer is over 14. I even wonder what legal status comes with being 14 anyway.
The site is sparse on content but I watched a bit of a movie on a 24" monitor and the picture was very clear even in fs mode. The only difference between that and a tv show was an obvious lower frame rate. Like watching at 23.97 but with no pull-up to 29.97 so there's a slight weirdness in the motion which is probably true with most sites. Any other comments would be premature so I'll reserve judgment but I like the concept. |
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mlernerPremium
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kudos:5 | Well they are promising to add to more content so let's wait it out. Additionally they seem to want to publish new content quickly so if they add new episodes next day like Hulu it may pick up steam. |
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