 tschmidtPremium,MVM
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| Clever technology I first heard about the company from a post in the AVsforum:
»www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre···=1197209
If it works as well as they make out sounds like a great idea. Pull copper out if existing cables, and use the outer jacket as a cable duct for fiber.
The blurb from the company mentions another benefit is the salvaged copper can be sold for scrap, helping reduce upgrade cost. Normally underground cable is abandoned.
Here in NH most outside plant is aerial cable. That is much less costly to upgrade the underground. Not sure if the technology is cost effective for aerial cable.
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rody_44Premium
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Quakertown, PA | Its a clever technology with no practical purpose. |
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tschmidtPremium,MVM
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| said by rody_44: Its a clever technology with no practical purpose. Why do you say that?
Reusing old copper cable as fiber duct is a lot cheaper then having to dig up streets to install new underground cable.
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 rawgerzThe hell was that?Premium
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Grove City, PA | reply to tschmidt
I wonder if a redneck and a pickup truck would be even more cost effective?
Never heard of buried coax before, I've only seen it aerial. Still it's pretty similar to what verizon crews do for aerial fiber. Tie some lubed up ball on one end, and use a leaf blower to suck it though.
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| said by rawgerz:Never heard of buried coax before, I've only seen it aerial. I can't believe you just said that, LOL.
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said by rawgerz:I wonder if a redneck and a pickup truck would be even more cost effective? Never heard of buried coax before, I've only seen it aerial. Still it's pretty similar to what verizon crews do for aerial fiber. Tie some lubed up ball on one end, and use a leaf blower to suck it though. Wow. Have you ever been in a neighborhood that doesn't have poles? I guess not. 
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 KylemaulLovin' My FirefoxPremium
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North Port, FL | reply to tschmidt
said by tschmidt:The blurb from the company mentions another benefit is the salvaged copper can be sold for scrap, helping reduce upgrade cost. Normally underground cable is abandoned. As the center conductor of coax is simply copper coated steel, I doubt the economic benefits touted. |
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chimera
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Sure he has, he just can't see the cabling so it isn't there. :P |
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| said by chimera:Sure he has, he just can't see the cabling so it isn't there. :P Out of sight, out of mind, doesn't exist.....
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said by Kylemaul:As the center conductor of coax is simply copper coated steel, I doubt the economic benefits touted. Construction depends on the type of coax. In the video they were pulling out copper pairs, not coax. There is a chart on the site estimating the amount of copper recovered based on pair-count.
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said by ptrowski:said by rawgerz:I wonder if a redneck and a pickup truck would be even more cost effective? Never heard of buried coax before, I've only seen it aerial. Still it's pretty similar to what verizon crews do for aerial fiber. Tie some lubed up ball on one end, and use a leaf blower to suck it though. Wow. Have you ever been in a neighborhood that doesn't have poles? I guess not. He just assumes they don't have cable there... 8-) |
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| said by jjeffeory:said by ptrowski:said by rawgerz:I wonder if a redneck and a pickup truck would be even more cost effective? Never heard of buried coax before, I've only seen it aerial. Still it's pretty similar to what verizon crews do for aerial fiber. Tie some lubed up ball on one end, and use a leaf blower to suck it though. Wow. Have you ever been in a neighborhood that doesn't have poles? I guess not. He just assumes they don't have cable there... 8-) Or electricity either.
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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It's a very clever technology with very low cost.
Wow, color me impressed.
Somebody was really thinking outside the box with that idea (but inside the cable)  |
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rawgerzThe hell was that?Premium
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Grove City, PA | reply to ptrowski
Probably have, just didn't notice. Don't know anyone that travels that looks for poles and/or what's on them. I figured cable co's used fiber to begin with in the most metro areas, not like it's often the streets would be dug up..
But I doubt there are many places like that to begin with, underground is very costly, so unless you travel to Manhattan or I guess Toledo, you won't see it
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said by Kylemaul:As the center conductor of coax is simply copper coated steel aluminum, I doubt the economic benefits touted. Since we're talking trunk/feeder I have fixed your comment. |
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patcat88
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Jamaica, NY
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said by rawgerz:But I doubt there are many places like that to begin with, underground is very costly, so unless you travel to Manhattan or I guess Toledo, you won't see it Most states require all new subdivisions/more than X amount of homes built by 1 developer to have all underground utilities. |
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Its not full copper, its copper coated, its worthless for scrap so no they wouldn't save much money |
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fbruno
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Berwyn, PA
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Tell that to the trunk guys at Manhattan Cable Televsion. In 1988, they softened the dialectic in existing underground trunk cables using large jolts of electric current, making it possible to pull out the insides and easily install this new fangled thing called fiber.
They avoided the major expense of building new ducts and opening many trenches at the then upsurd price of $92 per foot. Worked like a charm. We ended up with no active devices from the headend at 23rd Street all the way up to East 86th Street.
Think about it - this was 1988! |
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