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|  | |  SLDPremium
join:2002-04-17
San Francisco, CA | Re: This makes no sense Two other points about comparing to a public utility:
1. Utilities are often overseen by a PUC to protect consumers.
2. Utilities without PUC have competition - not just one or two players. | |
| | | | | | | Re: This makes no sense said by r81984:And just so you know. Where I am currently living for work in Canada they do not even have metered water. Everyone pays tax that pays for the water, so if you use alot or a little you pay the same. So grandma that uses only a few hundred gallons per month is getting ripped off by subsidizing a family of five's water usage. How socialist.... | |
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 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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 ·Clear Wireless
| said by r81984:The fairest is a flat fee so that all the customers pay for the USAGE of their internet connection. The costs do not change with utilization. When they build the network and buy fiber and routers they are not billed based on utilization. All broadband networks are oversubscribed, which means that as utilization goes up further development is necessary to reduce the level of oversubscription. On the cable network this is commonly referred to as "node splits", but all it's really about is reducing the number of downstream attachments per channel. When DOCSIS was first deployed, cable companies were able to get as many as 600-1000 modems attached per downstream channel -- the average today is closer to 200-250.
If 1:1 provisioning was maintained from the edge to the core, we'd all either be enjoying 150kbps connections, or to maintain the current multi-megabit access available the vast majority of broadband subscribers wouldn't be able to afford their connection.
This works out because the average broadband subscriber doesn't put up huge utilization numbers. | |
| |  r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX | Re: This makes no sense So you are saying instead of them using my money to build their network they pocket it, oversell, and then they will now try to get more money out of me???
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Democrats are not Socialists any more than Republicans are. | |
| | | espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Clear Wireless
| Re: This makes no sense said by r81984:So you are saying instead of them using my money to build their network they pocket it, oversell, and then they will now try to get more money out of me??? Uh, no.
Your monthly fee goes to support operating costs, some money is used to fund planned upgrade cycles, and some of it goes to profit. The problem sets in when demands pushes the need for capacity expansion before the current planned upgrade cycle. | |
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| | said by r81984:Paying a flat fee for your connection is paying your fair share. The connection cost the same regardless of how much you utilize it. If your ISP is paying for the bandwidth they resell to you and you consume so much that other users can't use the ISP's purchased bandwidth, its not a fair share for the other users.
If have an electrical utility drop that you pay for, does that mean you're entitled to unlimited electricity?
Telcos may pay that quoted $8 per subscriber. Does that mean they should give it to you for their price? How will they make a profit? Who will pay for the infrastructure support?
If I paid $700 for a T1 line and had 100 subs on it, does that mean I should sell my service for a mere $7. Who will pay for the tech support calls, truck rolls, electricity for the servers, all all the other back office WISP stuff?
If you want unlimited bandwidth, go out and lease your own T1 of OC3 line. Sounds like you want the bandwidth, but don't want to pair your fair share of it. | |
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1 edit | Re: This makes no sense Even if they implement this software, hackers, modders, pirates, or whoever in the know would find ways around it. This software needs to be on the modem, router, or on their end, which as you said wouldn't be perfect.
It works ok with a cell phone, as you can get a breakdown of minutes, texts or whatever used. Them giving you a breakdown of each individual IP address or domain name, you loaded, size...etc would be an intense printout. | |
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Mind you than again what's the difference between this and what the cellular providers have been doing for years... 