Spain Declares Broadband A Legal Right > 1 Mbps a ploy?

reply to Lazlow

Re: 1 Mbps a ploy?

iansltx

In tons of rural areas they buried the phone lines in the late 1970s, Govt program to help with ice storms. When they did that they only put down enough wire for about 3 lines for every two homes. That was all well and fine until isdn(way to far out for dsl) came around. Now those people cannot get better than dial up becuase they are no more lines open to use. So no, across the majority of the central core(ND straight south to TX) there is no available copper open. That copper is currently mostly in use for regular pots.

Uh, you can run DSL on the same pair as copper. Pretty sure that's what happens 95% of the time.

You can use one pair for phone or for ISDN but not both at the same time and there are only so many pairs buried (3 pairs for each pair of homes is common in rural areas). And again, DSL is not even available in most of these areas due to distance limitations.

Why are we talking about ISDN? Nobody uses ISDN, and it can't go 1 Mbps anyway.

DSL uses higher frequencies on the line so DSL + POTS can be on one line.

Because the limit of DSL is about 3 miles. Lots of these homes are 20 miles or further from the CO or a RT.

And yes ISDN is in use in many of these areas, where lines are available.

Limit of DSL is about 24 kfeet, so closer to five miles.

Also, how is deploying RTs to bring people within DSL range more expensive than deploying fiber everywhere?

I'm not saying that fiber isn't the best option, all else equal. However the cost differential is HUGE between adding an RT here and there and deploying fiber. Again, I'd rather have 3 Mbps DSL than nothing, because the fiber stopped up the road.

Start milking the crap out of that copper.

Hey, I'd rather have DOCSIS 3 than copper and fiber than DOCSIS 3, but I'll take what I can get. Also, if the copper is cheaper for similar speeds, I'll take the copper.

reply to iansltx
Either way they are going to have to bury new line. It is not going to be just a RT here and there it is going to be a lot of RTs (even at 5 miles). Since the inner circles (assuming radiating out from a town) are going to be passed by fiber (which is what feeds RTs) anyway, it is probably just as cost effective to run straight fiber. Yes, from the last RT out it would be much cheaper to just put in a RT(no new stuff to be buried), but between the last RT and the CO you are not going to see a huge difference in price.