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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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tmobile

Clearwire or sprint is probably DT's best bet. Tmobile already uses proprietary spectrum that few devices support (AWS/1700). Just keep choosing proprietary/niche technologies such as WiMAX. Its sad that ATT bought all the starbucks wifi hotspots from TM/Starbucks Corp. Tmobile should just buy US Cellular and inherit an 800 mhz network. Whats Tmobile's 700 mhz spectrum look like? Their coverage is crap. Building penetration is crap. And engineering wise they went on the cheap side. Sprint has better coverage and slightly better building penetration, and can always in-market roam onto Verizon. Tmobile NEVER in-market roams onto ATT. MetroPCS and Cricket are showing Tmobile, if you will have a limited coverage cheap crap network with no [in-market] roaming, people expect to be compensated for it by much lower prices or much more features.


jay_rm

join:2002-04-12
Netville

said by patcat88:

Tmobile already uses proprietary spectrum that few devices support (AWS/1700).
Too be technically correct, that statement SHOULD note that this is just the UMTS 3G part of T-Mobiles US spectrum. T-Mobile USA is also the LARGEST occupant of the 1900 MHz band, used mostly for 2G+ services, and uses pretty much the same dual-band GSM RF architecture handsets as ATT Mobility. A typical T-MO handset can roam on ATT Mobility and vs-vs

This is only a guess, but if they have enough contiguous spectrum at 1900 in their markets, they could certainly run 3G services (unless prohibited - not 100% up-to-date on the do's and don'ts of some of the FCC part 24 spectrum )
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tiger72
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reply to patcat88

Your lack of understanding of the FCC, licensing, cellular technologies, competition, and even basic timelines makes me giggle. Keep on bringing the funny.


patcat88

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said by jay_rm:

Too be technically correct, that statement SHOULD note that this is just the UMTS 3G part of T-Mobiles US spectrum. T-Mobile USA is also the LARGEST occupant of the 1900 MHz band, used mostly for 2G+ services, and uses pretty much the same dual-band GSM RF architecture handsets as ATT Mobility. A typical T-MO handset can roam on ATT Mobility and vs-vs
But does it in-market roam on ATT? Could've would've should've, DOES IT?

WiMAX says WiMAX works from 2 GHZ to 66 GHZ. Will there ever be a product that will do that? No.

UMTS and GSM also have many many bands in their standards that will never find a Nokia, Samsung, or LG phone for.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands


tiger72
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said by patcat88:

said by jay_rm:

Too be technically correct, that statement SHOULD note that this is just the UMTS 3G part of T-Mobiles US spectrum. T-Mobile USA is also the LARGEST occupant of the 1900 MHz band, used mostly for 2G+ services, and uses pretty much the same dual-band GSM RF architecture handsets as ATT Mobility. A typical T-MO handset can roam on ATT Mobility and vs-vs
But does it in-market roam on ATT? Could've would've should've, DOES IT?

WiMAX says WiMAX works from 2 GHZ to 66 GHZ. Will there ever be a product that will do that? No.

UMTS and GSM also have many many bands in their standards that will never find a Nokia, Samsung, or LG phone for.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands
LOL
Yet Nokia, Samsung, and LG all have phones for the AWS band. Are you intentionally trying to torpedo your own argument?
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FastiBook

join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA
reply to patcat88

Clearwire? No. And sprint is failing miserably, i won't be shocked if it goes chapter 11 within 3 years. Att would make the most sense, since the combined coverage in both covered area, and equipment would be in both carrier's interests. Att/tmob would basically have the chance to get a 1700 mhz hspa/4G/LTE network up and running a LOT faster because of less spectrum constraints. Only issue is handsets would need to become 5 band to work properly across the patchwork of frequencies for a few years, and 5 or 6 band to be a "world phone". Also att has iPhone. And tmob is using former cingular towers back in 2004 i think it was, you'd effectively be expanding workable cell sites for future upgrades. Hey vzw, can you hear me now, cuz att could get even more bars in more places you arent even serving.

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jay_rm

join:2002-04-12
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reply to tiger72

said by tiger72:

Your lack of understanding of the FCC, licensing, cellular technologies, competition, and even basic timelines makes me giggle. Keep on bringing the funny.
huuuuh ?
It you're referring to me, I don't understand the issue...
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patcat88

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said by tiger72:

LOL
Yet Nokia, Samsung, and LG all have phones for the AWS band. Are you intentionally trying to torpedo your own argument?
So why doesn't this phone have AWS »www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2308 or »www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2314 or »www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2126 or »www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2220 or
»www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2148 or this nokia »www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2275 or this nettop »www.htc.com/www/product/shift/sp···ion.html ?

Every UMTS phone without 1700 is another phone that will never go on Tmobile USA.

hottboiinnc
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reply to FastiBook

TMO wouldn't want ATT has the issues with the iPhone and the Network of ATT. TMO wouldn't want that on their shoulder.

Clearwire would make sense. It's a proven technology they're deploying. The network is actually running and supports customers, something that LTE doesn't do yet. Clearwire also says they change to LTE without a problem if they needed/had to.
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tiger72
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said by patcat88:

said by tiger72:

LOL
Yet Nokia, Samsung, and LG all have phones for the AWS band. Are you intentionally trying to torpedo your own argument?
So why doesn't this phone have AWS »www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2308 or »www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2314 or »www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2126 or »www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2220 or
»www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2148 or this nokia »www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2275 or this nettop »www.htc.com/www/product/shift/sp···ion.html ?

Every UMTS phone without 1700 is another phone that will never go on Tmobile USA.
And every UMTS phone without 1900 and 850 is one that doesnt go on ATT.
»www.sonyericsson.com/cws/product···en&cc=hk
»www.sonyericsson.com/cws/product···en&cc=hk
»www.sonyericsson.com/cws/product···en&cc=hk
»www.sonyericsson.com/cws/product···en&cc=hk

Much like the coverage argument, it seems like that can go both ways. When it comes down to it, 850/1700/1900 are ALL secondary bands.

God you're an absolutely atrocious troll.
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"What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning."
-United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara