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reply to cymraeg

Re: [ Classes] Druid Thread

thanks JB dont have those talents yet he is a new bear he is only level 22 i think i hit last night
so he has swipe but do i use it on cd or mangle and tab , and i cant remember if maul puts a bleed on or not, by roar do you mean demo roar for dam redux? cause i do that wife was like turn that down i cant hear with all that roaring it was funny the way she said it.
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lol yup, demo roar. throw lacerate around if you have it, im sorry with all the talent reworks theyve done i dont have a clue what talents you have, use FF often too, especially if you have enough talent points for the 1 ff = 3 stacks applied
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reply to cymraeg
The hardest thing for me going from playing Resto and Boomkin for so long then going to tanking was the global cool down. So much slower than healing or caster dps. I always felt I was not doing/moving enough or attacking fast enough. Might not be the same for others, but took me some getting used to. Once I got used to that it was pretty simple with the guidance that I read from this site and talking to other druids about stats, rotation, spec ect.

the gcd is slower i have noticed, just going from kitty to bear, and i just put one point into the rage regen from crit talent, not sure the name atm, but i am a bit rage starved at this level.
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Kitty GCD is base 1 second.

Caster GCD starts at 1.5, but is lowered by haste (down to a minimum of one second.)

Bear CD... 1.5 and ain't ever gettin' lower!

The biggest problem I have with bear tanking is if you're getting adds strung out over time instead of in clumps. The CD on swipe and thrash can make picking up a staggered arrival of multiple mobs pretty damn interesting. The place that's the most relevant in current content is Emerald Dragonshrine in End Time.
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ya all the cats comin from outta nowhere, i can see that being a problem.

reply to JB
don't forget about the glyphed Maul with tab targeting. If you have the rage, this will help fill in the open spots between the thrash and swipe.
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I think if druid tanks are having problems with loose adds from times, they are forgetting about FF. They just charge in there and and thrash and swipe. FF is your friend, does good dmg and good threat. I used the shit out of bash and skull bash when I tanked too.

reply to Treebark
Oh, there are certainly methodologies to mitigate the problem. But they're nowhere near as intuitive or easy as spamming a couple blood boils, mashing hammer a few times, or just shockwaving some mobs and telling them to hang out for a second while you get things sorted out.

Bear tanking has some distinct advantages compared to the other tanking types, but the tools for constant-add-arrival handling aren't very robust compared to the other tanking classes, particularly pallies and DKs.

Edit: This particularly shows up in Emerald, where mobs between moonbeams have 90 percent DR. Tab-mauling is pretty much the only way to hold threat as a bear if your healer is being injudicious between beams, which can lead to problems if the number of adds significantly exceeds 2. FF is completely useless.

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I agree with you. I have dabbled with Pally,DK, and Warrior tanking. A druid has to work more than any other class when there are a lot of mobs.

idk about dk tanking at end game stuff , cause i couldnt do it even at ramps that tanking style is not for me, and im man enough to admit that i sucked at it, pally has always been faceroll tanking to me ive always been very good at it, warrior was challenging at times, particularly in wrath heroics, POS ramp to the ice corridor what a big pain in the ass, but i have yet to take a bear to end game so i was wanting to do something different, just wanted to say thanks for the tips and experience youve learned guys
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reply to stvnbrs
Hey guys. After finishing my resto set, i am not trying to decide which direction to go with a few of my tier pieces since the resto 4 piece is at least surface level pretty terrible. Just wanted to get some advice on what you guys think, i have a lot of casters but if boomkin pumps out pretty decent numbers i would give it a try. I dont see a lot of feral kitties anymore and know next to nothing about feral tanking (i am open to learning since rolling as a bear seems pretty badass). Just wanted to see where you all thought that these toons stacked up against their competition in their respective categories.

now trying to decide*

reply to vwooten
Roll feral. It's not nearly as complex as it was at the end of Wrath. Their set bonus is a little more useful than resto. (but restos are really strong atm... they don't need a ZOMG 4piece this round).

Feral tanking takes a bit more effort than say, a pally/dk, but can be slightly easier to heal than warrior/dk. So, give it a shot.

reply to vwooten
Yeah I saw the 4 piece bonus for both resto and boomkin and went WTF? Those are pretty crappy bonuses. The resto one MIGHT have some benefit in very limited situations but because those are often the culprit of overhealing, this will likely just push us into further overhealing on most cases.

Hell even the feral 4 piece doesn't look that good and I haven't played feral since I was high enough level to get boomkin form (30s or something). Frenzied Regenration now affects all raid and party members but have to be in bearform for more than 15 sec which leaves this to the bears only (unless you wanna wait around for 15 sec and do nothing lol). It could be helpful for bears yes but that's about it.

Kitty basically gets feral charge macro'd for free to tiger's fury, a frenzy type ability. Big deal. Unless the mob is moving when you need to be in a burn phase what good is this?

DK's get a similar 4 piece (they're the only other class I play). Tank piece gets "vampiric blood now affects your party/raid for 50% of the effect it has on you" which is one of a DK's health CDs. Sounds like they're trying to get the tanks to help out healers this patch. I suspect we'd find similar 4 piece bonuses on paladin and warrior tanks.

DPS DKs get a 25%/40% chance to proc 710 mastery for 12 seconds. I guess that's not too bad but still seems a little meh to me. Mastery is second best secondary stat for a DW Frost DK (VERY close to haste still) and I think best secondary for 2h unholy but I haven't played that in a while.

4pc feral for both specs is really good. bear is situational but is highly valuable on a fight like morchok and madness. kitty is a pretty nice dps increase and with planning a solid raid cooldown.
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Oh yeah I can see the value in both but I still think a dash/sprint on a burn ability seems situational at best. The burn sections of madness for example, short of hoping to other platforms quicker after the burn phase is the only benefit I can see. That or an encounter where the boss is physically moving to a trigger point and you have to down him before then (I recall an encounter like that but don't remember what instance it was).

You are misreading the 4 piece feral bonus. Yes it enables you to use the feral charge talent which also give you a free ravage. So its basically and free ravege everytime you use tigers fury. Ravage is one of your hardest hitting abilites and has like a 90% crit chance if the boss is above 50% i believe.