 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to karlmarx
Re: Maybe it will die, but.. said by karlmarx:Torrents will live on forever. If you take away the 'free' part, people will STILL get it for free. Remember, even if comcrap acquires NBC (bad idea, horribly bad idea), NBC is STILL broadcast OTA for free, so downloading the TV shows via torrents is not stealing. Yes it is but that's not germain to this topic. And please don't try to justify it to me because ther isn't one point you can possibly make to change my mind so don't bother. Seriously I mean that. There are ZERO things you can do to make me see your point of view. Now if want to post just to read your own posts then go right ahead. If not I suggest you move on. |
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said by BF69:Yes it is but that's not germain to this topic. And please don't try to justify it to me because ther isn't one point you can possibly make to change my mind so don't bother. Seriously I mean that. There are ZERO things you can do to make me see your point of view. Now if want to post just to read your own posts then go right ahead. If not I suggest you move on. This is useless as input to a conversation. But then again, your interjections are usually as sick as your fetishes are!
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said by BF69:[There are ZERO things you can do to make me see your point of view. Now if want to post just to read your own posts then go right ahead. If not I suggest you move on. You sound like Al Gore and his global warming rants. 
While torrents are free and will live on, not everyone knows about them so using them might not be an option for everyone. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to gattaca
said by gattaca:said by BF69:There are ZERO things you can do to make me see your point of view. Such an intellectual. I am. I don't spout stuff for the hell of it. If I have a point of view it's only after carefully and fully examining all the facts. So someone would have to present some facts I was not aware of to change my mind. Someone posting, "Theft is not theft because I don't want it to be" is not factual information. It's wishful thinking. |
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BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | reply to moonpuppy
said by moonpuppy:said by BF69:[There are ZERO things you can do to make me see your point of view. Now if want to post just to read your own posts then go right ahead. If not I suggest you move on. You sound like Al Gore and his global warming rants. Sorry my use of FACTS disturbs you.
While torrents are free and will live on, not everyone knows about them so using them might not be an option for everyone. So you are seriously telling me you know people that use the internet on a daily basis and have NEVER heard of torrents? |
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Ummm, copyright infringement is NOT THEFT. Theft requires the denying the owner the use of their product. And a copy, be it of an idea, a song, a tv show, does not deny the owner of their copy. I'm sure in your world, if we could replicate food like star trek, you would consider feeding the starving people of the world 'wrong', because the megacorps won't be able to charge them for it.
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BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | said by karlmarx:Ummm, copyright infringement is NOT THEFT It is still not right. I'm not sure what part you don't get. Having sex with a willing 16 year old girl isn't "rape". It doesn't mean it's ok to do.
I'm not sure why you think you can take someone else's work and deseminate anyway you feel like without their permission. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to karlmarx
Hey Karl ever watch a sporitng event on TV. At the end of the broadcast it CLEARLY says
"Any rebroadcast, reproduction or other use of this game without the express written consent of Major League Baseball( or NFL, NBA , NHL ) is prohibited"
which part of PROHIBITED is too complicated for you to understand? |
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What's 'right'? I mean, do you honestly think that your moral values are better than mine? If I was a muslim, and I killed you, I would not be morally wrong because it's their belief that they should kill anyone who is not muslim. I consider it wrong, but I don't think my moral system is any better than theirs. Of course, being a member of the christian right wing nut case means that whatever YOU think is right, by definition, must be morally correct. NEVER inject morals into a legal problem, it's just not done. I feel that LEGALLY, since it's broadcast for FREE, the manner in which I get it is irrelevant. Morally, again, I see no problem. You however, subscribe to the RIGHT for a company to make money, even when technology has changed the manner in which they USED to make money. If the networks go under, I won't shed a tear. If there is money to be made, someone will do it. If there is no money to be made, then fine, let TV die. No skin off my back.
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The LEGAL definition of "statutory rape" is someone giving consent who (according to society) does not have the right to give consent to sexual activity for any of several reasons (usually age OR diminished capacity; however, statutory rape in a Case Two [diminished-capacity] situation must generally involve a person committed due to feeblemindedness or similar medical condition being the victim if the person is ABOVE the age of majority in the jurisdiction). In any jurisdiction where the crime exists, it exists due to religious influence on the jurisdiction's law (in other words, it's morality encoded into legislation). Note that I did NOT say that it is strictly Christian; it isn't. However, strictly speaking, is there a difference between morality in legislation and ethics in legislation? If there is, that difference should be spelled out; if not, then so-called "ethics laws" should be expunged from any non-theocracy on common-sense grounds. |
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I'm actually with Karl on this one. For the most part, I don't download torrents because I think it's wrong to do so. However I, at least, understand that his opinion is different than mine, his morals are different than mine, and I cannot claim mine to be 'better' than his.
He also has a good point: Shows (at least, on the major networks) broadcast for free over the airwaves. Also, to add to the point, the broadcaster already received the revenue from the advertisers for the commercials during the show. Soooo... calling it theft isn't very accurate. The broadcaster didn't lose anything by it being torrented, since A) it was broadcast over the air, where anyone can watch it (and/or record it) for free and B) the broadcaster got paid.
Oh, and one last point - depending on what part of the world you are in, having sex with a 16 year old girl might be completely acceptable. Hell, it varies from state to state in the US.
Karl is right. Legal matters are legal matters. Morality has very little place in legality, ultimately.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to BF69
Anyone can give a notice, but I did not give agreement to a contract by watching it. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to BF69
said by BF69:While torrents are free and will live on, not everyone knows about them so using them might not be an option for everyone. So you are seriously telling me you know people that use the internet on a daily basis and have NEVER heard of torrents? Yes. There is no limit to ignorance. People who get torrents must also get alot of spam and viruses. Torrents push you off the internet by evil chinese hackers. |
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said by TheRogueX:He also has a good point: Shows (at least, on the major networks) broadcast for free over the airwaves. Also, to add to the point, the broadcaster already received the revenue from the advertisers for the commercials during the show. Soooo... calling it theft isn't very accurate. The broadcaster didn't lose anything by it being torrented, since A) it was broadcast over the air, where anyone can watch it (and/or record it) for free and B) the broadcaster got paid. Actually the rates paid by advertisers depends on the ratings for a particular time slot. If fewer people watch the shows from authorized means (cable/satellite) and watch them from torrents, they won't be counted and the broadcaster would end up charging advertisers less, i.e. losing money. |
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said by BF69:Sorry my use of FACTS disturbs you. If it is anything like Al Gore facts, then you really need to do some more research as shown by your next statement.
said by BF69:So you are seriously telling me you know people that use the internet on a daily basis and have NEVER heard of torrents? Yes, many people I know use the internet daily for email, web browsing, Facebook, etc. and would never know what a torrent is, what usenet was and if IRC ever existed. |
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said by patcat88:Anyone can give a notice, but I did not give agreement to a contract by watching it. As a viewer, they give you a license to use their content, and as long as it is allowed by law, they can set whatever terms they wish. You can't just watch whatever you want without being bound by any sort of license terms. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | A license requires acceptance and notification. I see none. |
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join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | reply to BF69
said by BF69:Hey Karl ever watch a sporitng event on TV. At the end of the broadcast it CLEARLY says "Any rebroadcast, reproduction or other use of this game without the express written consent of Major League Baseball( or NFL, NBA , NHL ) is prohibited" which part of PROHIBITED is too complicated for you to understand? Not a valid case. The warning must be broadcast BEFORE the game (Like the warning when you play a DVD) or it is the same as a "Shrink Wrap" License. Claiming a restriction after the game (and the actual recording has been done [such as recording for time shifted viewing later]) is-not/should-not-be enforceable since you remove the rights you have granted after the fact. |
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said by BF69:So you are seriously telling me you know people that use the internet on a daily basis and have NEVER heard of torrents? Yup...I'd say 8 out of 10 uses don't know what I'm talking about when I explain my TOS to them. Its the over 30 crowd. Its pretty easy to figure out they really, really don't know what I'm talking about. |
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