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Springfield, OR | who owns our data? Something is wrong with this. I want to own my data and nobody should look at it or intercept it without my permission.
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| Too true mate, same here with bells on. By what right do they think they can snoop inside the data packets I send? My data is private between me and whoever I am sending them to. If I encrypt those packets, isn't it illegal for anyone except the intended recipient to decrypt them? Or are they above the Law? Are these Laws only for the downtrodden masses to follow?
I can see a certain ISP losing an awful lot of business in the not too distant future! Virgin have their fingers in an awful lot of pies and the more fingers, the more likely when they get burned it's going to sting a lot! People don't like being SPIED ON!! |
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said by w0g:Something is wrong with this. I want to own my data and nobody should look at it or intercept it without my permission. All your data are belong to us...  |
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To answer the question, that is the UK. But, don't fret, we do it here in Canada as well. Bell, Rogers call it under the guise of "traffic management". We never had problems until they started this nonsense. packets are allegedly broken, inspected, modified and/or discarded, as they see fit.
Therefore, following the same logic, your friendly post office should be able to open your mail "just to make certain it's legitimate, and not something illegal", WITHOUT your permission.
It's exactly the same invasion of privacy.
Big Business has become THAT paranoid, that they have lobbied the governments to even THINK to allow that sort of despicable crime.
Odd. A couple of weeks ago, we celebrated Remembrance Day, to remember the supreme sacrifice too many paid so we could have our freedoms. Those poor souls must be rolling in their graves just at the very THOUGHT that their children, and their children's children would actually condone such invasion - the same ideology they fought and died to prevent.
The Fascists have won. Very sad.
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well... the 'police' can probably snoop your traffic if they get a warrant to do so. |
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well then the fascist figured out that abrupt change will often fail and be hard to pull off, they tried a very slow change. when you compare present day countries to 'fascist' countries of old, the similarities start to appear, which is quite disturbing. it is almost like the 'fascists' have 'won'. |
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said by w0g:Something is wrong with this. I want to own my data and nobody should look at it or intercept it without my permission. On the other hand..... the Federal Government has literary been SNIFFING snail mail for years.... with Dogs. Central mail facilities have drug dogs that will smell your mailed pot from a hundred yards away, and boom yer busted.
Essentially, any byte leaving your house or coming in to your house is not yours to own....
Encryption will change all that, and it looks like that's the way piracy is going to.... Unless the RIAA gets their collective heads out of their collective asses and start thinking about some things.
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said by Bluetacky :
Too true mate, same here with bells on. By what right do they think they can snoop inside the data packets I send? My data is private between me and whoever I am sending them to. Welcome to the Patriot Act, and the equivalent of such acts in Canada, Europe, and other western countries.
Under the umbrella "national security" they can snoop inside any data packets they want to snoop in, just to make sure you aren't emailing instructions on how to make a nuclear bomb from Home Depot materials.
That they.... as a side note.... then discover you are transmitting packets that the RIAA would be interested in, is just a nice fat bonus for the RIAA.
If I encrypt those packets, isn't it illegal for anyone except the intended recipient to decrypt them? Or are they above the Law? Are these Laws only for the downtrodden masses to follow? Not in the U.S..... they can decrypt whatever they want here, as they see fit. See Patriot Act above.
The thing is that encryption can be sophisticated enough nowadays, from any home computer, that it would take anyone not holding a key months, if not years to decrypt your secret recipe for..... CHILI, BlueTacky style.
I can see a certain ISP losing an awful lot of business in the not too distant future! Virgin have their fingers in an awful lot of pies and the more fingers, the more likely when they get burned it's going to sting a lot! People don't like being SPIED ON!!
Well, they have been doing for a 50 years or more with out regular mail. During World War 2 and the cold war, they used to x-ray letters from suspicious persons to see if they were spies. In the "war on drugs" virtually every central mail center in the U.S. have DEA agents with dogs, that will sniff out your mailed joint. That would be REAL "packet sniffing" right there! 
No one likes to be spied on, but the reality is that it has been happening for decades, and it will continue. And with such, they are forcing piracy into encryption, and when the masses start doing THAT..... the military that is trying to find terrorists now (that are already using encryption) will all over sudden have to sift through 99% of "RIAA interested" data instead of mostly email encryption.
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| said by maartena:The thing is that encryption can be sophisticated enough nowadays, from any home computer, that it would take anyone not holding a key months, if not years to decrypt your secret recipe for..... CHILI, BlueTacky style. How about never. Do you realize how long it would take all the computing power on earth the brute force AES-256? Longer than the age of the universe. |
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 Rogue WolfAte Your Homework, And Framed The Dog
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Now, the question is, what is the RIAA more likely to think?
A) "Encryption will make it impossible for us to beat piracy, we'd better reorganize our structure and start trying to compete"
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B) "Encryption will make it impossible for us to beat piracy, we'd better call up all those politicians we bought and have them make encryption illegal for citizens"
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| said by Rogue Wolf:Now, the question is, what is the RIAA more likely to think? A) "Encryption will make it impossible for us to beat piracy, we'd better reorganize our structure and start trying to compete" OR B) "Encryption will make it impossible for us to beat piracy, we'd better call up all those politicians we bought and have them make encryption illegal for citizens" If they make encryption illegal, it is the end of online commerce as we know it, as every credit card number (although not always the case) is sent over » encryption, which THEORETICALLY for file sharing purposes should be all the encryption that is needed. Of course not the same protocol, but the same level/type of encryption can be used.....
Then there is VPN encryption, online encryption, email encryption..... Nope, not going to happen. And the thing about encryption is, that it is virtually impossible to determine what TYPE of software is using encryption by examining the encrypted data. In other words, if you have a P2P client using port 443 and encrypt its data, it might as well be a user browsing » sites or use SSL for a VPN.
They may try to go the B) route and wiggle and worm around some things, but it is only a matter of time before they realize they had better go with A).
The car industry had 16 feet, and shot themselves in 15 of them before they got it. I expect the RIAA to be the same.
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