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Re: Secret Service falls down on the job said by KrK:It is amazing. Yet it shows what happens when people act boldly and naturally. Everyone assumes they are supposed to be doing whatever they are doing because they aren't acting suspicious. Perception is everything. I say that constantly, and it's true. They were perceived to be invited guests there because they were able to fool quite a few people. Not an easy task.
The SS should figure out what the hell happened, and take immediate action to rectify the situation.
This couple should be thrown in jail. See how they like that reality show.
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Dracut, MA | what law did they break that would give them jail time. As far as I can see they drove up to front gate, got turned away, went to another gate, claimed to be on the list but somehow the name was missing. They didn't claim to be someone else, it wasn't like they impersonated someone. Some moron didn't follow protocol and let them in. |
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| said by Ebolla:what law did they break that would give them jail time. As far as I can see they drove up to front gate, got turned away, went to another gate, claimed to be on the list but somehow the name was missing. They didn't claim to be someone else, it wasn't like they impersonated someone. Some moron didn't follow protocol and let them in. They lied when they said they should be on the list.
This seems like computer hacking. Should an intruder be innocent if the system they hacked was insecure? Or, does the intruder bear the responsibility for knowing that they're trying to hack a system that they were not authorized to access?
Personally, I think we should ban reality shows. I'm getting tired of how our depraved entertainment values have led to this sort of stuff (including the recent "balloon boy" episode.).
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Dracut, MA | "I am on the list"
"no your not"
"I should be"
"well you are not"
That isn't exactly jail time material. Now if they claimed to be someone they are not that yeah I could see jail time as a possible outcome. Who knows they may of even said "We want to go to the party" and never even claimed to be on the list. |
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said by Ebolla:what law did they break that would give them jail time. For starters, how about Fraud and Conspiracy to Commit Fraud? After that, Tresspassing.
I'm not a lawyer or a judge (thankfully, for both you and me) but you have to set a little bit of a precedent here. People walking into the WH when they feel like can't be tolerated.
Granted, the whole other issue is how the SS allowed this to happen. I don't know what's going on there, but the people that do will figure it out.
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said by Ebolla:Now if they claimed to be someone they are not that yeah I could see jail time as a possible outcome. To me, it seems similar to a hacker probing for a way into a system (event) which they know they weren't granted access to.
All your rationalizations about how they didn't misrepresent themselves don't change the above simple fact. When an intruder hacks a system, even using their real name and IP address, they've still hacked a system. Entered something they knew they were not granted access to. It doesn't matter how poor the system's security was.
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kudos:3 | If I rob a bank, and I choose to rob this bank because I know the security sucks and I could probably get away with it, I still robbed a fucking bank. |
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| Robbing a bank has rather traumatic impacts on the folks working there, and of course, money disappears. That is, someone was harmed.
Now, other than the large amount of egg on the SS's face, I'm not sure what harm occurred. If they got a meal, they should pay for that. But I don't see the need for jailtime. There are real criminals to put in jail.
As to whether they lied to get in, I suppose the first question was if anyone even asked them if they were on the guest list. |
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| said by jus10:That is, someone was harmed. Trust me someone was harmed and he had a badge... Guess what... He will want revenge, and he will have it too. Want to guess why? Because his boss was embarrassed also.
So... These punk assed morons who want to play with the big dogs and do photo ops, they get to go to jail. |
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Dracut, MA | reply to Jeffrey
If someone allowed them in the building is it REALLY trespassing?
What fraud was committed, I didn't read they misrepresented themselves. They didn't just walk into the building, they passed a checkpoint. If they jumped a fence and bypassed security i would agree. Not saying that it was RIGHT that they gained access to this. just saying I don't see why jailtime would even be a thought. |
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It's really crazy that it has gotten to that point. There was a time when you could go into the White House and talk to the president. You know, him being an elected leader and not a king or whatnot.
Rather sad really.
As for the situation, I don't think the administration will press the issue. The couple will get a lambasting by government and the secret service agents who let this happen will be back to hand counting bills in the bottom of the treasury or something but pursuing this is a distraction and there is too much on the administration's plate right now as it is. |
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I think "reality" shows are making people do whatever it takes, even if it may be detrimental to someone else, to become famous.
I despise reality shows that do not help to better serve mankind. The Biggest Loser is one reality show that I actually like.
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I don't think they should be punished. Maybe given a stern talking to, but not punished. However clearly security protocol needs to be upgraded.
This is movie type stuff. You see the likes of James Bond, etc swaggering around in formal parties and stuff because they bluffed their way in.
... but it's also possible if a random couple could pull this off, it could have been someone with malicious intent. I doubt they'd of slipped in with guns etc on them, but what if they had some toxic poison or biological agent? It's surprising this breach occurred.
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Reminds me of this:
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B7HG8_xbDw#t=0m45s
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Ah darn the time thing didn't work. Forward to 45 seconds in.... |
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said by KrK:... but it's also possible if a random couple could pull this off, it could have been someone with malicious intent. I doubt they'd of slipped in with guns etc on them, but what if they had some toxic poison or biological agent? It's surprising this breach occurred. That's sort of what I'm getting at. What did happen wasn't the end of the world. Nothing "bad" happened, except two nutjobs had the balls to crash the best party. With that said, it could have been much worse.
It's extremely surprising that this breach occurred. If all it takes is a little bit of confidence and swagger, along with a SS mistake to get into a White House function, something needs to be changed.
Who's going to be the next one to try something like this? Someone else who wants 15 mins of fame.
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said by jus10:Now, other than the large amount of egg on the SS's face, I'm not sure what harm occurred. If they got a meal, they should pay for that. But I don't see the need for jailtime. There are real criminals to put in jail. Most states have laws against obstructing a police officer in the commission of his duties. A felony in some states. Obstruction includes lying.
I don't know if a federal law exists (if the Secret Service manned the gates). Or, a DC law (if the DC police manned the gates, which is usually the case).
said by jus10:As to whether they lied to get in, I suppose the first question was if anyone even asked them if they were on the guest list.
News reports say the couple insisted they were on the list and that a mistake was made. When turned away from the main entrance they went to a side entrance.
I don't believe it's unreasonable to believe they could be charged with a crime. They clearly intended to deceive law enforcement to enter a secure area. There are plenty of laws which criminalize such conduct in other circumstances (computer hacking, obstructing a peace officer).
There may not be a law for this particular instance. But, it's very similar to others.
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Hmm, well, try slipping into a High Security area then get caught and see how that works out for you ok?
The points being made that "no harm was done" or "nothing bad happened" etc are weak to the extreme!
Attendance of any function where the POTUS or VP are snuggling up with attendees should be considered of the Highest Priority.
These wannabe high society scammers should see the inside of a jail cell. |
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