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noname10

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This "story" is Tabloid style garbage


This is garbage and you should not have posted this story and made asinine comments. For one it would be a subpoena not a "search warrant" and if you knew the first thing about Telecommunications in general you would know what a non-story this is.

highlighting 'pings' is like someone highlighting how many 'hits' their website got. It is 100% meaningless and shows your complete ignorance.

When you call 911 you have no right to privacy and you can be immediately tracked without and your whereabouts given to law enforcement no questions asked. That's how it's always been and it is no different than calling 911 from a landline. they get all the info they want just because you dialed 911.

Otherwise the two other reasons are a subpoena which is the court FORCING Sprint to give out the information and Sprint has no say in the matter, OR law enforcement has to indicate to Sprint basically that it is a matter of life or death. So if Law Enforcement says a child was kidnapped and we know who did it and will go on record saying the child's life is in danger then Sprint can give them the info before getting a subpoena but Law enforcement still needs to follow up with the proper legal documentation.

I can only imagine all the reality tv watching gossip reading idiots that are going to post on here.

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Agreed.

Triangulation tracking has been around since AMPS, built-in GPS transceivers on phones just makes it easier and accurate where direct line of sight and EVDO is possible and available. Anyone with remote common sense would know, even hope that enforcement would use these tools.

Anyone worried about big brother intrusion needs to wake up. This is a post 9/11 world.



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said by noname10:

highlighting 'pings' is like someone highlighting how many 'hits' their website got. It is 100% meaningless and shows your complete ignorance.
From the linked Wired article:
quote:
Sprint Nextel provided law enforcement agencies with customer location data more than 8 million times between September 2008 and October 2009, according to a company manager who disclosed the statistic at a non-public interception and wiretapping conference in October.

The manager also revealed the existence of a previously undisclosed web portal that Sprint provides law enforcement to conduct automated “pings” to track users. Through the website, authorized agents can type in a mobile phone number and obtain global positioning system (GPS) coordinates of the phone.


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said by Network Guy:

This is a post 9/11 world.
Why do people still say this? This is the dumbest thing ever. We're also in a a post WWII world to, what bearing does either have on anything? Nothing. It's just a BS excuse that GWB made up to do whatever they hell he wanted because of his and his staff's ignorance in office.

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People are as ignorant as much as their short-term memory.

Do you need another set of towers to fall to get you to wake up? You need another Obama spending your tax money on stupid shit?

This country is fucked up by the same people who elected our constituents.

WAKE UP



imrf
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Take off the tinfoil hat, man. Sheesh, you need to wake up.

All this crap has been going on for centuries. Doing what the Bush administration did isn't going to make things all better. There more than like still will be more terrorist activities.

As for Obama spending my tax dollars, yes, go for it. It's better than wasting trillions on a useless war that Bush made up. Obama is trying to save the jobs of millions of American's. Would you like to continue to have a job?

My eyes are open and have been so. Take your own advice.


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Obama needs to spend our tax dollars wisely. The first stimulus payment to get people spending was a dumb idea. How were people going to feel confident in their situation with a one-time rebate on their tax return when those same people are facing a layoff or reduced hours?

How is first-time home buyer tax credit helping the real estate problem? Are people still stupidly buying homes they can't afford? Or are people now snapping up foreclosed homes?

Easy answer.. Neither

Banks aren't lending and banks prefer sitting on foreclosed property hoping and betting the bubble will inflate again.

The war is a waste. At least we agree on that.



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Read the rest of the article and you will see the update and how it got blown out of proportion.
Tabloid Bloggin at it's best
»www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/12/su···lion-law

"The comments made by a Sprint corporate security officer during a recent conference have been taken out of context by this blogger. Specifically, the “8 million” figure, which the blogger highlights in his email and blog post, has been grossly misrepresented. The figure does not represent the number of customers whose location information was provided to law enforcement, as this blogger suggests.

Instead, the figure represents the number of individual “pings” for specific location information, made to the Sprint network as part of a series of law enforcement investigations and public safety assistance requests during the past year. It’s critical to note that a single case or investigation may generate thousands of individual pings to the network as the law enforcement or public safety agency attempts to track or locate an individual."

Btw I read the entire article yesterday and I knew it would get this result here.



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said by Network Guy:

Anyone worried about big brother intrusion needs to wake up. This is a post 9/11 world.
By this comment, do you mean that we should be aware of it, or that we should deem it as acceptable action by our government?

If the former, I absolutely agree. If the latter, I'd be more inclined to ask if you would mind having the NSA, FBI, or CIA install some video cameras in your bedrooms, bathrooms, and shower stalls to monitor for potential "terrorist activity".

In a "post 9/11 world" we need to be aware of and take responsibility for our own personal security. But this should not mean that government receives special permission to snoop on us and build profiles using what should be private data without first having to see a judge and get him/her to agree that probable cause exists. If this hampers our ability to fight terrorism, so be it. I'd rather take my chances with being killed by terrorists than deal with the certainty of being info-raped by the state.
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reply to imrf
What does Obama's wasting our taxpayer money and pushing the unemployment rate up to 10.2% on his watch have to do with fighting terrorism?



imrf
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You brought up wasting tax dollars, and I just figured you were going to derail the train and talk about him using tax dollars to float companies that provide jobs to a lot of people.

Obama didn't push unemployment up, the craptastic economy did that, and that started under Bush's regime.

And that fighting terrorism thing is just a joke and excuse. It's not going to solve or change anything. If it helps you to sleep better at night, fine, believe in it. But it's not going to do anything.



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said by grydlok:

"The comments made by a Sprint corporate security officer during a recent conference have been taken out of context by this blogger. Specifically, the “8 million” figure, which the blogger highlights in his email and blog post, has been grossly misrepresented. The figure does not represent the number of customers whose location information was provided to law enforcement, as this blogger suggests.

Instead, the figure represents the number of individual “pings” for specific location information, made to the Sprint network as part of a series of law enforcement investigations and public safety assistance requests during the past year. It’s critical to note that a single case or investigation may generate thousands of individual pings to the network as the law enforcement or public safety agency attempts to track or locate an individual."

Btw I read the entire article yesterday and I knew it would get this result here.
I read that before I made my post, thanks. My post was in reply to someone saying the "pings" were like hits on a website and nothing more. Hopefully you're not saying that also; I don't believe that you are.
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Do you need another set of towers to fall to get you to wake up?
Do we need another post saying this? 8 years, and people are still repeating this junk.
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said by NOVA_Guy:

If the former, I absolutely agree. If the latter, I'd be more inclined to ask if you would mind having the NSA, FBI, or CIA install some video cameras in your bedrooms, bathrooms, and shower stalls to monitor for potential "terrorist activity".
The law needs to catch up with the technology. How useful is it to require a subpoena for monitoring terrorist activity as it happens if it requires a DA to physically visit a judge who will sign it? By that time your suspects are likely long gone.

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said by fatness:

said by Network Guy:

Do you need another set of towers to fall to get you to wake up?
Do we need another post saying this? 8 years, and people are still repeating this junk.
The bombings in Madrid reminded the NYPD of how plausible it is for some asshole to plant a bomb in a NYC subway train. I feel very glad and safe to see K9 units take up post at random throughout the subway system.

Of course, if it doesn't affect you, nobody gives a shit and it's junk.


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reply to grydlok
I cannot explain specific uses, but it is very useful to give a sprint phone to an officer to carry for an instant and cheap GPS tracker when they are not in a vehicle.
In one such use, we tracked 20 of these phones every 15 seconds for 7 days; so we accounted for 10% of those pings with just that one use. In another such use, using a different portal than the one mentioned in the article but using sprint devices, we generate 130,000+ pings per day every day, over 36 million per year for just our department. Not a single one of those is tracking a civilian.


ross7

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reply to Network Guy

said by Network Guy:

said by fatness:

said by Network Guy:

Do you need another set of towers to fall to get you to wake up?
Do we need another post saying this? 8 years, and people are still repeating this junk.
The bombings in Madrid reminded the NYPD of how plausible it is for some asshole to plant a bomb in a NYC subway train. I feel very glad and safe to see K9 units take up post at random throughout the subway system.

Of course, if it doesn't affect you, nobody gives a shit and it's junk.
Count me as one who doesn't give a shit, not even a fart.


grydlok

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reply to fatness
I do agree with you. I knew when I read this last night and saw how the authors failed to correct information or provide additional sources to validate the story.



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said by Network Guy:

How is first-time home buyer tax credit helping the real estate problem? Are people still stupidly buying homes they can't afford? Or are people now snapping up foreclosed homes?

Easy answer.. Neither

Banks aren't lending and banks prefer sitting on foreclosed property hoping and betting the bubble will inflate again.

The war is a waste. At least we agree on that.
Banks ARE lending. If you have crap credit, it's harder to get a loan used to be. If you're responsible with your money in the first place, you'll have no trouble getting a mortgage you can actually afford. Long gone are the 45 and 50% Income:PITI loans. The first-time home buyer credit seems to be doing exactly what it was supposed to, and that's to give a push to a lot of renters who should be owning.

said by [»www.realtor.org/research/research/ehsdata :

Existing-Home Sales Record Another Big Gain, Inventories Continue to Shrink
November 23, 2009 - Driven by the first-time buyer tax credit, existing-home sales showed another big gain in October with a strong uptrend established over the past seven months, while inventories continue to decline.
Now what was that again?
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said by Network Guy:

The bombings in Madrid reminded the NYPD of how plausible it is for some asshole to plant a bomb in a NYC subway train. I feel very glad and safe to see K9 units take up post at random throughout the subway system.

Of course, if it doesn't affect you, nobody gives a shit and it's junk.
And NYPD will never stop a white "obese" man wearing a fat suit filled with C4 or a fat white man wearing a trenchcoat in winter.

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