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Re: WTF said by kapil:since we've allowed warrant-less surveillance. Is there a law requiring telcos to receive a warrant before releasing position information?
I know they're subject to statutory damages if they release call records without a warrant (although there are a couple exceptions which have been discussed in the context of telcos assisting NSA). But, is position information protected the same way?
If not, this seems like what happens in other industries. For example, insurance companies maintain info available through ChoicePoint about your insurance coverage, gaps in coverage, etc. Landlords submit eviction information, viewable by anyone. Lexus Nexus has all your credit card transactions.
Why should a telcom be subject to more restrictions?
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Chicago, IL | said by amigo_boy:Why should a telcom be subject to more restrictions? I would hope real time tracking of a person's movement would be subject to higher standards or privacy.
OnStar can bring a moving vehicle to a halt remotely. Cell phone companies can activate a GPS module in a phone even if the phone has been powered off by the user. We can't do this and still call ourselves the land of the free. Here in Illinois, the tollway keeps a track of how long it takes a driver to get from one toll plaza to the next...and it's only a matter of time before the state police starts issuing tickets for speeding based on that data or insurance companies get their hands on it to monitor driving habits.
I also think some of the other examples you give, lexis-nexis, choicepoint et al, are also egregious violations of privacy. There is entirely too much data about individuals that is within the control of corporations. Not all of them are ethical and entirely too many of them willing to "co-operate" with government rather than fight to protect the privacy of their users.
These corporations won't change until we demand they do. We deserve, at the very least, the same level of privacy enjoyed by the citizens in the EU.
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| said by kapil:I also think some of the other examples you give, lexis-nexis, choicepoint et al, are also egregious violations of privacy. There is entirely too much data about individuals that is within the control of corporations. That's the point I was getting at. What telcos do with position data may not be any different than what's happening with all kinds of consumer (and public record) information.
It doesn't bother me too much that such info is available. For example, an eviction or coverage database could save me money on rent or insurance because I've been responsible in both regards. But, it bothers me how these databases are privately owned, and often exist in multiple "background check" service providers. Even if you could find all your information, you have no rights over it (like, correcting derogatory information).
I think that impacts people in much more palpable ways than "Da man knows I hung out all day between the plasma donor and methadone treatment centers."
I think people get wound up about the wrong stuff.
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said by kapil:Cell phone companies can activate a GPS module in a phone even if the phone has been powered off by the user. Source?
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said by amigo_boy:Is there a law requiring telcos to receive a warrant before releasing position information? I know they're subject to statutory damages if they release call records without a warrant (although there are a couple exceptions which have been discussed in the context of telcos assisting NSA). But, is position information protected the same way? I seem to recall that the courts hold call meta data (origination number, termination number, time of call, duration, etc), to a different standard than the contents of the call. I suspect GPS data falls into the meta data category. |
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Look up cell phone hacking. Your phone being manually turned off by you doesn't mean a thing. You'll have to pull the battery out to actually disconnect it from anything. |
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Look up cell phone hacking. Your phone being manually turned off by you doesn't mean a thing. You'll have to pull the battery out to actually disconnect it from anything.
The Palm Pre has an airplane mode that turns off all the radios on the device. That should work as well as pulling the battery. I think a few other phones have this mode as well.
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