 NOVA_GuyObamaCare Kills AmericansPremium
join:2002-03-05 | reply to kapil
Re: WTF kapil,
I don't know that I would move my business away from Sprint if I were in your shoes. At least Sprint is being a little open about this and is willing to make a few public statements. Companies like Verizon and AT&T are doing this with their customers as well, but are not willing to speak about it in the slightest bit. Moving your business over to them just rewards their secrecy while punishing Sprint for their "openness". (Openness is a very loose term here, obviously.)
If you (like me) strongly object to this type of stuff, I would suggest that you consider communicating with your elected representatives and also contributing to organizations that take action to protect our privacy (like the EFF). These would be far more productive.
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 kapilThe Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | said by NOVA_Guy:kapil, I don't know that I would move my business away from Sprint if I were in your shoes. At least Sprint is being a little open about this and is willing to make a few public statements. Companies like Verizon and AT&T are doing this with their customers as well, but are not willing to speak about it in the slightest bit. Moving your business over to them just rewards their secrecy while punishing Sprint for their "openness". (Openness is a very loose term here, obviously.) If you (like me) strongly object to this type of stuff, I would suggest that you consider communicating with your elected representatives and also contributing to organizations that take action to protect our privacy (like the EFF). These would be far more productive. I hear ya'. And quite frankly, I'm not even sure how much good taking my business elsewhere would do because, as you said, all other telcos are probably doing the same thing.
I don't think the statement made by the Sprint product manager was done in the spirit of being open about these things...I really think he said too much in front of what he felt was a friendly audience. I'm pretty sure he regrets it now and the story will be whitewashed by the PR police at Sprint soon enough.
You're right, addressing the matter with my elected representatives is the proper venue to air my grievance, but honestly A) I don't know how much good that will do since the democrats are obviously just as bad as the republicans on this matter and B) as important as this issue is, there are more pressing matters at hand like the economy, the two wars, healthcare etc.
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 imrfPremium
join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI | reply to NOVA_Guy
said by NOVA_Guy:Companies like Verizon and AT&T are doing this with their customers as well, but are not willing to speak about it in the slightest bit. And you know this for a fact of just a WAG?
Sprint had no choice to "being a little open" about this because they got busted doing it. Kiss their butt all you want, they're still a shady company. |
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NOVA_GuyObamaCare Kills AmericansPremium
join:2002-03-05 | said by imrf:And you know this for a fact of just a WAG? From the last paragraph of Karl's article:
Wired's Threat Level blog goes on to note Yahoo and Verizon's legal objections to Soghoian's FOIA request, the companies defending limited disclosure of their surveillance activities because knowing the truth would "shock and confuse" customers, and "impair our reputation for protection of user privacy and security."
I'd say that this is a good indication that Verizon is in on the game as well. If Sprint and Verizon are doing it, there's a good bet that T-Mobile and AT&T aren't far behind either. I don't know for a fact, but call it an educated guess from someone who's basing it upon an informed opinion.
said by imrf:Sprint had no choice to "being a little open" about this because they got busted doing it. Kiss their butt all you want, they're still a shady company. No arguments from me on this point. I guess the main point of my previous post should be interpreted as "Don't think that moving from Sprint makes your GPS data any more private," rather than conveying that Sprint is so much nicer and more open than all the other companies.
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imrfPremium
join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI | What I'm saying is that I doubt they are doing it as easily as Sprint is letting happen. |
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NOVA_GuyObamaCare Kills AmericansPremium
join:2002-03-05 | If that's the case, Verizon and AT&T shouldn't be too concerned about hiding everything they're doing to cooperate with law enforcement agencies, IMO. They could very easily come out and say "We provide this on a limited basis" and outline what is required to access their data. Instead it appears that they're trying to obfuscate things.
Personally, I think that every American should have a right to know what's happening (or what could happen) with data like this. We should have a right to know who can obtain access to what data, and under what conditions it will be provided. We can call it a "customer bill of rights" or something similar.
Your thoughts?
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imrfPremium
join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI | Yeah, a customer bill of rights should have been part of the bill that the previous administration passed. But alas, our government isn't "for the people" any more. |
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The simple fact that both Verizon and AT&T did wiretap for the government. You know it was big news months ago. Also you need to read up on CALEA. |
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As long as warrants are obtained; or it is a 911 call; or the phone's owner OKs it(like giving the owner and bill payer the right even if the phone is used by an adult relative).
So far that appears to be the case. The only open question is how secure is the interface used to initiate the tracking(is it subject to auditing for hackers and rogue employees working with private dicks?) |
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