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N3OGH
Yo Soy Col. "Bat" Guano
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Philly burbs
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Doomed

Utterly fucking doomed.

This might happen, along with cold fusion, a man on Mars, and pigs flying.

Oh wait, we all ready had Swine Flu...
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BF69
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

said by N3OGH:

Utterly fucking doomed.

This might happen, along with cold fusion, a man on Mars, and pigs flying.

Oh wait, we all ready had Swine Flu...
"swine flu" or more correctly H1N1 is REAL. If you don't believe me ask those in my area that have lost loved ones to this "imaginary" flu.


jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL

Methinks you missed the terrible pun.


guppy_fish
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join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
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reply to N3OGH
The government is looking at the fact they are loosing the POTS taxes base, nothing more. This is nothing but a smoke screen to have taxing IP as POTS is today!


openbox9

join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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Possibly. Or it might actually be motivation to advance the aging infrastructure in this county. If it's taxation, I would think it much easier to simply levy a tax opposed to going through this rigmarole.



n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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reply to guppy_fish

said by guppy_fish:

The government is looking at the fact they are loosing the POTS taxes base, nothing more. This is nothing but a smoke screen to have taxing IP as POTS is today!
Agreed! If the government is taking interest then they are more than likely really interested in the tax angle.
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battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000

reply to jester121
He didn't USE random ALL CAPS words.



N3OGH
Yo Soy Col. "Bat" Guano
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Philly burbs
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reply to BF69
Swine flu = real.

Swine flew = pigs flying. Hasn't happened yet.

Sorry if my sarcasm was a bit esoteric....
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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reply to openbox9
The FCC wants to migrate us to all IP?? When did they run a phone system?? gumpy fish is right.. this is just more of a move to migrate the taxes to IP voice from Pots..

The government is not smart.. they're idiots, in fact.

Companies are already installing VoIP and they didn't need the government to make them or help them..

As for phone, right now, they'd need to push fiber.. otherwise, you still have the same copper running DSL circuits to run that IP voice.. so why bother?

Wireless is the future, not VoIP.. more and more people are cutting cords every day...

Copper is going to be around for years to come.. like I said, it's that same copper that carries VoIP in many cases.

The government can't do anything "easy".. they have to have the smoke screens to make things work.



JasperJ

@xs4all.nl

Wireless is bunk. The spectrum is only getting more and more congested as usage goes up. In Amsterdam, you will typically see 10 wireless networks or more from within your own home and getting your own to work is usually a nightmare.

And VoIP really is the future. Providers all over the world are already moving everything except the last mile to VoIP, and many providers (among which is my employer) are providing DSL+VoIP (Including FttC VDSL) or CableIP+VoIP (Including FttC Eurodocsis 3.0) or FttH+VoIP.

In fact, where I am, the ILEC is still offering ISDN or analog, there are two competitors offering analog on a services from them, tech from the ILEC basis, and at least a dozen companies offering (your choice) DSL or Cable Internet, with VoIP add-ons if you want them (Full disclosure: My employer among them). Analog+DSL is so far in the minority on new installs it's not even a blip.

What provides the IP is entirely and completely independent of whether your phone runs over the analog copper you already have, or over VoIP. That's the beauty of an all-IP world. Certainly there needs to be a push toward FttH, which is happening (everybody who is now pushing FttC does that at least partially so that those last links from Curb to Home can eventually be replaced by fiber...), but the move from copper to VoIP is entirely independent of that. The best scenario is probably simply to let the market go VoIP on its own and when the critical mass falls below a certain point drop the requirements for the maintenance of the analog phone network, probably to be replaced with a requirement for the maintenance of the copper-pair-for-DSL network.



thabassplaya

@verizon.com

reply to guppy_fish
agreed



fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:1

reply to openbox9

said by openbox9:

Possibly. Or it might actually be motivation to advance the aging infrastructure in this county. If it's taxation, I would think it much easier to simply levy a tax opposed to going through this rigmarole.
It's actually both, plus pandering to lobbyists.

Upgrade the network so that they can have an excuse to tax VOIP since everyone will be on VOIP.

Satisfy the lobbyists who want to sell a network upgrade.

Have something to boast about come election time and justify reelecting their sorry butts.


fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:1

reply to JasperJ

said by JasperJ :

Wireless is bunk. The spectrum is only getting more and more congested as usage goes up. In Amsterdam, you will typically see 10 wireless networks or more from within your own home and getting your own to work is usually a nightmare.
I think fiberguy meant wireless phones, like cell phones.

People are dropping landlines for cell phones and going cell only. In contrast, most voip users also have a cell phone, but not vice versa.

cornelius785

join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA

reply to BF69
i hate it when people simply call the SWINE FLU just 'H1N1 flu', cause it is not (did the swine flu name aggravate the pig farmers?). swine flu is a particular strain of the the influenza A subtype H1N1 flu. simply saying H1N1 does not differentiate it between past flu viruses, current seasonal flu virus, and the 'swine flu'/'novel H1N1'.


fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
kudos:3

reply to JasperJ
I am talking about wireless phones.. yes.

And, like I said, you still have to have copper to have Voip (or fiber, depending) but that remains to be seen if they put teeth into that.

However, there is no law or anything that can force a carrier to migrate from copper to fiber.

Still, Voip isn't the future as the main product.. wireless phones are.. All this would really mandate change for is the central office equipment.. instead of hard switching equipment, it would be soft switching.. no major change and a worthless unfunded mandate if they were to even get close to pushing this..

In time, things will naturally migrate over to VoIP.. they're already doing it now.



Dude111
An Awesome Dude
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join:2003-08-04
USA
kudos:10

reply to guppy_fish
POTS IS MUCH BETTER THAN THIS IP CRAP!!!!!

Believe me!!


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