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b10010011Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA Reviews:
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4 edits | Sorry, VOIP is just not relaible enough You can have my POTS line when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.
VOIP is just not relaible enough when the only broadband choice is Comcraptic.
Cellualr is no more reliable than VOIP.
A few months ago this happend abotu six blocks from my house causing a major power outage:
»[video] Electrical Wire Tears Apart Tree
All of the local celular service went out, (no service NOT EVEN ROAMING on my phone) so did my Comcraptic internet service.
My POTS line still worked fine. | |
|   BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Sorry, VOIP is just not relaible enough said by b10010011:You can have my POTS line when you pry it from my cold dead fingers. VOIP is just not relaible enough when the only broadband choice is Comcraptic. You do relaize they are tlaking about transition CURRENT POTS lines to VoIP. In other words if at&t is your current POTS provider they will eventually have to transition to VoIP. | |
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2 edits | said by b10010011:You can have my POTS line when you pry it from my cold dead fingers. VOIP is just not relaible enough when the only broadband choice is Comcraptic. Cellualr is no more reliable than VOIP. A few months ago this happend abotu six blocks from my house causing a major power outage: » [video] Electrical Wire Tears Apart TreeAll of the local celular service went out, (no service NOT EVEN ROAMING on my phone) so did my Comcraptic internet service. My POTS line still worked fine. You are completely incorrect. You are thinking Vonage, etc. when you think VOIP. Those companies are ADD ONS to your current Internet connection. If you still have copper to your home, the telcos could still use their CO battery to power the Internet modem and VOIP equiment located at your home. To you, things would be complely transparent!
The equipment would probably be located in a tiny box attached to the side of your building. This also works into the direction the USA is going-that a certain level of broadband is a RIGHT! They have already done this in Finland and (I believe) Holland. | |
| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Sorry, VOIP is just not relaible enough said by qworster:Those companies are ADD ONS to your current Internet connection. If you still have copper to your home, the telcos could still use their CO battery to power the Internet modem and VOIP equiment located at your home. To you, things would be complely transparent! The equipment would probably be located in a tiny box attached to the side of your building. This also works into the direction the USA is going-that a certain level of broadband is a RIGHT! They have already done this in Finland and (I believe) Holland. Not happening. 120 milliamps, 90 volts maximum on phone lines. 10 watts in the end. Barely enough to drive anything. | |
| | |  DrStrangeTechnically feasiblePremium
join:2001-07-23
West Hartford, CT
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1 edit | Re: Sorry, VOIP is just not relaible enough If you want that stuff [DSL modems, VOIP ATAs etc.] to stay on during a power outage, get a UPS. If you use a big enough UPS, you'll get enough uptime during a power failure for the power to come back or for you to cut over to your backup generator.
EDIT: Didn't see all of what you wanted to keep powered on.
It should be responsibility of competing carriers [cable comanies, etc. who aren't the local telco] providing VOIP to provide backup power for their infrastructure when main power fails. I'm not sure that your cable company VOIP would work during a power pouage even if your modem and phones were on battery backup. With DSL, I know it would be working. | |
| | | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Sorry, VOIP is just not relaible enough said by DrStrange:It should be responsibility of competing carriers [cable comanies, etc. who aren't the local telco] providing VOIP to provide backup power for their infrastructure when main power fails. I'm not sure that your cable company VOIP would work during a power pouage even if your modem and phones were on battery backup. With DSL, I know it would be working. Any attempt at regulations will be lobbied to death. Cable companies only have a few hours of battery life in their HFC power injectors, thats if they change the batteries, and if the batteries weren't stolen. I've seen Verizon bring generators to RTs during a small blackout, but if its a natural disaster or multi-state blackout, I doubt theyd have the drivers, the trucks, the techs to plug one in, and the diesel refilling trucks to do everything. I've read about how some PUCs (Florida I think) have required cable to have natural gas generators in the field. That sounds like heaven.
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| I think you have a point there. I am loving my U-verse Voice service so far, it has been reliable and the quality is good. However, I live in a hurricane prone area. With my POTS line, the nearest remote switch and DSLAM that services my neighborhood does have a backup natural gas supplied generator. Telcos would need to have these in place for sure as a backup of any kind of last mile copper. Whereas now, the only backup power U-verse has is the 4 hour battery backup in my living room near my residential gateway. Furthermore, the U-verse VRAD appears to have no power backup beyond batteries. One thing I can say is that after Hurricane Katrina, my POTS line worked. If another hurricane hits, it will be different with the U-verse voice.
In short, I think that it is possible to achieve VoIP that is as stable as POTS, but backup power and generation will be key. I feel a neighborhood based solution with a common neighborhood generator will be optimal. | |
| | WhatNowPremium
join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC | Re: Sorry, VOIP is just not relaible enough That is the decision to supply power all the way to the house or make that the responsibility of the customer. In another thread they were hitting at&t for not deploying fiber for Uverse. In those cases if you have FTTH then even for POTS the customer provides the the power because fiber does not carry power and maintaining a copper pair for low voltage power supply increases the maintenance costs of the system.
It may be years for some areas but it is coming. | |
| | | | Every VRAD has a pig input to connect up a portable genset if the outage will exceed the batteries. | |
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·Mediacom
·AT&T U-Verse
| Re: Sorry, VOIP is just not relaible enough I am glad to know that. I just hope that happens in the event of a Hurricane. The area where my parents live has been served by a DLC for years. There was a freak blizzard, the 1993 one, that knocked their power off for a few days. BellSouth had to bring in a potable generator for the POTS to run. At the time, there was no backup generator for that area. | |
| | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | said by OSUGoose:Every VRAD has a pig input to connect up a portable genset if the outage will exceed the batteries. And why would the phone company waste money to bring a generator set to the VRAD unless a childrens hospital or the governor's or legislative speaker's house was on the VRAD? | |
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| Re: Sorry, VOIP is just not relaible enough Not true, Sept 08 we had a big wind storm blow through and know out a good majority of our city. Within a few days AT&T had every VRAD up and going still with either trailer mounted propane gensets or the portable gas powered ones, they even had to start gaining thm up and having police watch them, bc people were stealing the generators to power their house. | |
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| | The stupid part in that video, is they stayed around and watched it, vs calling anyone. They coould of been killed if that tree took down the wire, as the line would of jumped around like a snake till the recloser killed it. | |
| |  DeathKPremium
join:2002-06-16
Cincinnati, OH | Re: Sorry, VOIP is just not relaible enough How do you know no one was called? | |
| | | | | Re: Sorry, VOIP is just not relaible enough No one said they were calling the FD or PowerCo, it was only suggested. If after 2 minutes, and based on how bad it was getting, i would been on the phone again, if they was called saying hey the tree is really starting to burn now. | |
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