| OK... Sadly this won't fix the piracy problem. Like many previous news articles here on this site that people have commented, it will increase the use of encryption. I'm not against P2P but I am against the use of P2P of illegal reasons. I do buy my music and movies. It's not that often that I buy a CD or movie (I generally get them as gifts around the holidays or as a birthday present). Most of the music out today isn't that great. That's why I don't buy music that I don't like. If I don't like it I don't buy it...but I don't steal it either. I do neither. If I like what I here on a artists MySpace or YouTube video I go out and buy it. Just recently I decided that I was going to start doing things to support the artists in more ways since most of the money doesn't go to the artists when you buy a CD. None the less I still buy it. I believe they rely on mostly live performances for their money. The biggest problem that the entertainment industry has to over come is how to get people who aren't like me who are willing to pay for the entertainment they want. The #1 question they must find the answer to is: How do we compete for free? In my eyes you can't. This seems to be the biggest problem. Why pay when you can get for free? I pay because I don't mind paying for the music. If I couldn't afford it, I wouldn't steal it but to each their own. As for the ISP side of this issue...I am more than willing to back up the idea of cutting customers off. When you sign up for the services you agree to their terms of use. Don't agree and break their rules...you get booted. This has been a ongoing issue since P2P broke out in the beginning and it's only going to get worse the longer it goes on. P2P is not the problem, selling the product while still making a profit off of it this day in age is. |
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Sadly this won't fix the piracy problem. Like many previous news articles here on this site that people have commented, it will increase the use of encryption.
Encryption won't protect you from DMCA letters. The letters are sent after an IP address was identified in a torrent swarm. It has nothing to do with the transfer of the file itself. For obvious reasons, it isn't possible to hide an IP address in a torrent swarm (proxies notwithstanding). |
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| Using torrent in it self is not illegal. So DMCA is baseless unless they can figure out what you're downloading. Lets not forget newsgroups, they been around for long time and will continue to be and they are not tracked. |
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So you say that you're okay with isp cutting people off. What do you say when a grandmother gets cut off because someone used her wireless router that was totally unlocked or was locked with wep. Linksys is the biggest free isp and will continue to be for long time. |
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 FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | reply to KodiacZiller
sure it is. you heard of TOR? |
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Ok, so your ok if you are accused of illegal downloading and cut you off the internet with no real proof whatsoever?
Why should it be ok for an ISP to be policing their customers when they are under no law to be doing so?
What about the parents who's kids are the ones mostly using the internet and the actual father/mother gets accused of such illegal downloading?
So if the riaa and mpaa were to set up spy people in neighborhoods or anywhere so they could catch people who lend others CDs and DVDs so they could rip (steal) music and movies you would be alright with that huh?
You must be in the pockets of the riaa & mpaa to support their crazy methods of accusing people of illegal downloading! |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | reply to silentlooker
Right along with that is Docsis (cable ) spoofing. Somebody spoofs your Docsis mac, downloads bad stuff, and then you get the bad toad notice. Until they can prove who actually download the material(they cannot right now), disconnects should not be on the table. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to ISPvsP2P
also do they keep a database or flag an account with something that a normal CAE cant just remove?
because i know with how hard service CAEs are pushed to get sales nowdays, a third strike block on someone's account if it could be clicked off to gain a sale it would be because customer support CAEs are pretty much told get sales at all costs.
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said by KodiacZiller:said by ISPvsP2P :
Sadly this won't fix the piracy problem. Like many previous news articles here on this site that people have commented, it will increase the use of encryption.
Encryption won't protect you from DMCA letters. The letters are sent after an IP address was identified in a torrent swarm. It has nothing to do with the transfer of the file itself. For obvious reasons, it isn't possible to hide an IP address in a torrent swarm (proxies notwithstanding). I forgot to add that in. It won't necessarily hide you but going by some past posts about this topic it seems people believe it will. I wouldn't know, I'm not a P2P user (neither legal or illegal). Have no reason. |
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said by silentlooker:So you say that you're okay with isp cutting people off. What do you say when a grandmother gets cut off because someone used her wireless router that was totally unlocked or was locked with wep. Linksys is the biggest free isp and will continue to be for long time. It's the owner of the wireless routers job to protect their own network. If they can't they should have someone who knows how to do it for them. Just like it's the ISP's job to take care of their own network and set the ground rules. |
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Never said that I'd be for it without proof. Obviously it would be smart for them to have proof before doing any action.
As for the parents, watching what their kids are doing when they're online might be a good idea. Interesting question you ask there. If I had to take a guess, it's the person on the bill that gets fined for it but I'm not 100% sure on that.
Yes I'd be OK with it. If you don't have anything to hide then you won't be afraid of getting caught.
This last thing made me laugh a little. I wish. Probably would make good money doing it but I'm happy with my current job.  |
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said by ISPvsP2P :said by silentlooker:So you say that you're okay with isp cutting people off. What do you say when a grandmother gets cut off because someone used her wireless router that was totally unlocked or was locked with wep. Linksys is the biggest free isp and will continue to be for long time. It's the owner of the wireless routers job to protect their own network. If they can't they should have someone who knows how to do it for them. Just like it's the ISP's job to take care of their own network and set the ground rules. Interesting, so if someone takes my car because i forgot to lock it and is used it in bank robbery, police should take my car away from me? It's same thing, holdong grandmother accountable for something that she didn't do is just wrong. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | reply to ISPvsP2P
ISPvsP2P
So where do you put the liability for cable modem spoofing? |
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 SnowymIRC unix.ro UnderNetPremium
join:2003-04-05
Kailua, HI
kudos:5
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said by Anon_X :
Ok, so your ok if you are accused of illegal downloading and cut you off the internet with no real proof whatsoever?
The roadrunner browser notification appears to address the issue of SERVING UP copyrighted material.
One of us is in the wrong thread. |
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said by ISPvsP2P :Never said that I'd be for it without proof. Obviously it would be smart for them to have proof before doing any action. As for the parents, watching what their kids are doing when they're online might be a good idea. Interesting question you ask there. If I had to take a guess, it's the person on the bill that gets fined for it but I'm not 100% sure on that. Yes I'd be OK with it. If you don't have anything to hide then you won't be afraid of getting caught. This last thing made me laugh a little. I wish. Probably would make good money doing it but I'm happy with my current job. well if arresting people in a movie theatre fo rhaving a birthday and facing 2-3 years in prison is where its going ill say this
might as well join a gang or maffia yourselves
and do more of this
at least make it worth it for the time you get all of you.
like OMG hes got a music tune
and OMG your in for manslaughter
a few tunes and your same boat
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Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | reply to ISPvsP2P
yeah but cracking WEP can be just as easy as searching on youtube how to crack it.
and WPA and WPA2 also (Depending on how complex the password is and how many characters)
I'm sorry but there are just too many variables and scenarios that need to be thought out.
they cannot and will not start the injustice of booting people without due process of law.
The entertainment industry is NOT above the law, they are under it like everybody else.
Thus they must follow the rule of law.
If they keep doing these things, hackers around the world will continually wage war against them, and will inevitably crush them.
just like the whole Climate-gate event.
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to silentlooker
said by silentlooker:Using torrent in it self is not illegal. So DMCA is baseless unless they can figure out what you're downloading. Lets not forget newsgroups, they been around for long time and will continue to be and they are not tracked. Ummm.. the Music/Picture industry is out there grabbing content FROM people and I'm pretty sure when the content gets to its destination, they can pretty much figure out what was being shared.
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No, in that case, the person who stole the car would get in trouble because they had taken something that wasn't theirs and used it for malicious purposes on top of it. Where as in this case it would be the person downloading/uploading the content that wasn't there's that would be busted. Now if it's being done on another persons connection without their knowledge, yes it is bad but it does happen. I think a person who didn't do anything wrong would stand a better chance in court with the argument that "they didn't know" if they actually can prove they had taken steps to prevent that. The biggest catch here would be catching the real offender. To be honest with you I think it all boils down to that they have to sue someone and if all they can get is to who's connection it is than it would be bad. NAT poses a big problem with this situation I think since you can't tell the real source of the downloading. |
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said by Lazlow:ISPvsP2P So where do you put the liability for cable modem spoofing? Networking in general. That's just the way it is. Although I would think it would take some work to spoof the mac address on a cable modem not the device connected to it as that's what's used to get someone on a cable network in the first place. I would hope the ISP would have some protection against Mac spoofing but if they don't, yes this could pose a major issue. |
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Good point but I think his comment was about how there still be no proof of who "actually" was doing the wrong doing. It just proves that it's coming from that connection. So I'd say if there's a router or firewall involved with NAT, you're screwed because there's no way to prove the LAN IP of the machine or whether the machine was one that got access to the LAN via unsecured wireless. |
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