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gatorkram
KaBOOM Baby
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join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
kudos:2
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·Suddenlink

Get out of my packets

I pay for a connection to the internet, period.

If I want to break the law with it, then that is on me, not my network provider.

If you want to look at my packets, get a warrant.

Further, if I break the law with my internet connection, you have no right to boot me from your network. A judge might order me not to use the internet, but it sure isn't my ISPS job to make that decision.

My money pays for the network, and paid to buy all that equipment they use, and to boot me, would also be criminal.

Do we have to sue our ISPs now, to keep service?
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Give me bandwidth or give me death!
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fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:1

As long as TV providers also provide internet service they will always cooperate with the copyright infringment police.



Van
Premium
join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA

reply to gatorkram

said by gatorkram See Profile
Further, if I break the law with my internet connection, you have no right to boot me from your network.
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I would think the ISP's could disconnect whoever they want IF you are found to break the law.


gatorkram
KaBOOM Baby
Premium
join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Suddenlink

If I run a grow house, and I get busted, should no one provide me power in the future?

Wake up, this is total BS.

Stop trying to police my connection, and what I am doing online.

AND... No one should be targeting me, and my packets, without a warrant. I don't care what company or 3rd party says they saw my IP doing.

I don't give up my rights, just because I am on the internet. Get a warrant, period.
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Give me bandwidth or give me death!
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4

said by gatorkram:

If I run a grow house
You run a grow house
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When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee


Van
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join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA

reply to gatorkram
I don't consider the house and internet connection to be anywhere near the same thing



gatorkram
KaBOOM Baby
Premium
join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Suddenlink

said by Van:

I don't consider the house and internet connection to be anywhere near the same thing
I consider the internet connection in my house, to be just as important as my power. I need them both to be happy.

The power company is not going to ban me, because I got busted running a grow house.

Nor should any internet provider, ban someone from their network, for doing anything illegal.

The courts might ban me from using the internet. They shouldn't even be able to do that, but I've seen it happen. Should be some kind of legal rights to the internet if you ask me.

They sure aren't going to ban me from having power. Wouldn't that be silly? People need to see the internet in the same way.
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Give me bandwidth or give me death!
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Technogeez
Agape in amazement.
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join:2007-01-20

said by gatorkram:

said by Van:

I don't consider the house and internet connection to be anywhere near the same thing
I consider the internet connection in my house, to be just as important as my power. I need them both to be happy.

The power company is not going to ban me, because I got busted running a grow house.

Nor should any internet provider, ban someone from their network, for doing anything illegal.

The courts might ban me from using the internet. They shouldn't even be able to do that, but I've seen it happen. Should be some kind of legal rights to the internet if you ask me.

They sure aren't going to ban me from having power. Wouldn't that be silly? People need to see the internet in the same way.
I think you'll find that neither your ISP nor your power company give a rat's sphincter about what YOU consider to be important or necessary.

You need to go back and read your terms of service. Notice, especially, where you agreed not to do anything illegal with your internet service.

And I'd bet that even your power company has the same clause in the terms of service you agreed to.
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Read your contract and TOS before signing anything.


goofy01

join:2004-02-05
Hammond, IN
Reviews:
·Comcast

reply to gatorkram
I suggest you go back and read the terms of service that you agreed to when you signed on with your ISP. They don't need half of what you think they do to kick you off of their network, no matter how much you spend. In the end, it is still their network and they can do what they want.


Asmodeus

join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA

reply to gatorkram
The other legal question that should be asked is, is if I generate packets and send them out over a private network from to another private destination, are those packets my personal property and if they are then does a third party have a right to look at or into them?


Asmodeus

join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA

reply to gatorkram

said by gatorkram:

I pay for a connection to the internet, period.

If I want to break the law with it, then that is on me, not my network provider.

If you want to look at my packets, get a warrant.

Further, if I break the law with my internet connection, you have no right to boot me from your network. A judge might order me not to use the internet, but it sure isn't my ISPS job to make that decision.

My money pays for the network, and paid to buy all that equipment they use, and to boot me, would also be criminal.

Do we have to sue our ISPs now, to keep service?
The other legal question that should be asked is, is if I generate packets and send them out over a private network from to another private destination, are those packets my personal property and if they are then does a third party have a right to look at or into them?

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