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Re: OK... said by silentlooker:So you say that you're okay with isp cutting people off. What do you say when a grandmother gets cut off because someone used her wireless router that was totally unlocked or was locked with wep. Linksys is the biggest free isp and will continue to be for long time. It's the owner of the wireless routers job to protect their own network. If they can't they should have someone who knows how to do it for them. Just like it's the ISP's job to take care of their own network and set the ground rules. |
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| said by ISPvsP2P :said by silentlooker:So you say that you're okay with isp cutting people off. What do you say when a grandmother gets cut off because someone used her wireless router that was totally unlocked or was locked with wep. Linksys is the biggest free isp and will continue to be for long time. It's the owner of the wireless routers job to protect their own network. If they can't they should have someone who knows how to do it for them. Just like it's the ISP's job to take care of their own network and set the ground rules. Interesting, so if someone takes my car because i forgot to lock it and is used it in bank robbery, police should take my car away from me? It's same thing, holdong grandmother accountable for something that she didn't do is just wrong. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | reply to ISPvsP2P
ISPvsP2P
So where do you put the liability for cable modem spoofing? |
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Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | reply to ISPvsP2P
yeah but cracking WEP can be just as easy as searching on youtube how to crack it.
and WPA and WPA2 also (Depending on how complex the password is and how many characters)
I'm sorry but there are just too many variables and scenarios that need to be thought out.
they cannot and will not start the injustice of booting people without due process of law.
The entertainment industry is NOT above the law, they are under it like everybody else.
Thus they must follow the rule of law.
If they keep doing these things, hackers around the world will continually wage war against them, and will inevitably crush them.
just like the whole Climate-gate event.
Hackers = Modern Age Freedom Fighters |
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No, in that case, the person who stole the car would get in trouble because they had taken something that wasn't theirs and used it for malicious purposes on top of it. Where as in this case it would be the person downloading/uploading the content that wasn't there's that would be busted. Now if it's being done on another persons connection without their knowledge, yes it is bad but it does happen. I think a person who didn't do anything wrong would stand a better chance in court with the argument that "they didn't know" if they actually can prove they had taken steps to prevent that. The biggest catch here would be catching the real offender. To be honest with you I think it all boils down to that they have to sue someone and if all they can get is to who's connection it is than it would be bad. NAT poses a big problem with this situation I think since you can't tell the real source of the downloading. |
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said by Lazlow:ISPvsP2P So where do you put the liability for cable modem spoofing? Networking in general. That's just the way it is. Although I would think it would take some work to spoof the mac address on a cable modem not the device connected to it as that's what's used to get someone on a cable network in the first place. I would hope the ISP would have some protection against Mac spoofing but if they don't, yes this could pose a major issue. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | It is relatively easy to modify a modem to allow for cable modem spoofing or one can buy them premodified. Here is the one that has gotten the most press:
»www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/0···-hacker/
So far there is no real defense that the ISPs have come up with that is not easily sidestepped. |
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 Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | reply to Pv8man
said by Pv8man:yeah but cracking WEP can be just as easy as searching on youtube how to crack it. and WPA and WPA2 also (Depending on how complex the password is and how many characters) With number cruncher cards like the nVidia Tesla and Fermi, it wouldn't take very long to crack 'em.
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA | reply to ISPvsP2P
said by ISPvsP2P :said by silentlooker:So you say that you're okay with isp cutting people off. What do you say when a grandmother gets cut off because someone used her wireless router that was totally unlocked or was locked with wep. Linksys is the biggest free isp and will continue to be for long time. It's the owner of the wireless routers job to protect their own network. If they can't they should have someone who knows how to do it for them. Just like it's the ISP's job to take care of their own network and set the ground rules. How deep of the level or responsibility do you want people to get to in order for someone to say, "yup, you did everything right, but it's still your fault." and not be responsible? This happens more times than not. I can wardrive in my neighborhood and leech wifi all day long, spoof a mac, crack a wep in under 30 seconds and viola, I've got free wi-fi and no one is the wiser.
Oh, they found kiddie porn emanating from your IP, but you can't prove you did it or if you've been spoofed/wep hacked? To bad. Oh, hey, by the way, we also found that you've been going to torrent sites and downloading movies and music and sharing them illegally too. What a coincidence. What do you say to that Mr. Responsibility?
At some point in time, in this digital age where copies anything can be made any time and anywhere, there needs to be an acknowledgment that peoples responsibilities to perceived illegalities must end somewhere. |
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