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Yahoo spy price lists

Well it's a damn fine thing that I've not partaken in any Yahoo services and don't have a yahoo account(can't stand the name).

Although if Yahoo is doing this and setting out prices for selling out their users, it means the google probably is too :-(

»cryptome.org/0001/yahoo-cryptome.htm

I took the yahoo .pdf and upped it to RS in case anyone wants to take a look and it gets taken down before you get a chance.

It's a shame yahoo decided to go this route(DMCA), you think being a search engine, they'd have heard of the Streisand Effect.

»rapidshare.com/files/317279222/y···pdf.html

reply to chronoss2009
yea email use died a long time ago actually id say about 4 years ago

and i can say what was thta called echelon and of course they have a new baby i won't mention to use....
the grand son of carnivore.

NICE though as one slashdot user said "that they put such a low price on our privacy at lest put a few zeros in it and a jewish guy was heard saying......yea didn't think 20000$ for a hmmer and 30000 for a toilet was what that cash was for..."

reply to chronoss2009
no
read into what i said maybe you will figure it out
/me twists your mushy brain a lil first...there now read it again

and before yahoo sold ..out i used to talk regularly with there main webmaster about stuff

and seeing how this is soo cheap i guess the argument that it costs so much is BS too after all , all they have to do with there toys in the usa is walk up plug it in and poof its all grabbed

25000 people times 40$ nice quick cashmaker

oh and remember this WAS primarily a Canadian email service until rogers got hold of it and why is it Americans are allowed to BUY OUR PRIVATE data with no oversight, and i guess its a throw back from the @home days when rogers would even tell you that there security was being handled 100% buy and form America.
btw thats when i dropped rogers as a isp

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reply to oxymoron69

reply to chronoss2009
A lot of misinformation here ... wow....

Most major ISP's have a policy on dealing with privacy and customer data - this Yahoo! document just puts that policy in writing for dealing with law enforcement... am I missing something?
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reply to CanerisErik

reply to chronoss2009
yea how e have a privacy law that should have some form a oversight thanks to Americans appears we do not

aka warrantless wiretapping laws that effectively say that until that proposed law is enacted this is actually illegal past 30 or 60 day rention and ONLY for Canadian authorities

reply to Roop
It's an interesting debate. Ignoring the specifics here, in general, from a service provider's perspective, if you are compelled by law to disclose whatever subscriber information, and there are costs associated with that, is it not fair for the party causing those costs to compensate the provider? Compliance has real costs.

I haven't studied this Yahoo stuff in sufficient detail just yet to be able to comment on it specifically, and I have no idea what their exact costs or volume of requests would be. I would certainly hope that they're not using this to make a profit.

I'm not sure why anyone is surprised at or finds strange that some providers would bill law enforcement for creating more work and a burden for them. No one is volunteering to do this stuff.

If Yahoo or anyone else is exploiting this to make profit, then that would be very wrong.
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Erik - Caneris Inc.

reply to chronoss2009
the carnivore like systems merely plug in and harvest the entire sever to be taken away and once hooked up do so as a tool they come get a HD and walk away put another on and so on.

echelon did it better and its son does more then email.
the cost is just the inconvenience of 30 minutes to hook htis hardware up. HENCE why its so cheap to buy. they are profiting in fact data itself costs actually nothing and at lan speeds locally there is literally no cost when it comes and goes then it merely is being copied over ...any decryption happens on there side elsewhere BUY UBER fast lil machines. Ihave less an issue with our law enforcement gettign inforamtion then say some foriegn govt agency having it.

AM I BREAKING a law there that if i travel id get arrested upon arrival when its not illegal here?

example
college
two men in black suits approach , they tell me they have a job to make a website in belize but they cant tell me in Canada what its about because to do so breaks laws here?

basically it turned out ( i of course turned that down ) that in canada that would be equivilent what they wanted to money laundering YET in there country it was aobut investing in there govt with "fewer rules and such".

if i download in Canada with a cdr levy is that legal here ..yes in USA downloading is illegal ( SO could they would they for some people make examples of YOU BET )

reply to chronoss2009
I just finished reading the whole thing at »cryptome.org/isp-spy/yahoo-spy.pdf.

First, why is this thread even entitled "price lists"? The Yahoo doc has merely seven dollar signs in a 17 page document and these are explicitly referred to as basically rough ideas of costs. 16.5/17 pages do not discuss costs at all.

Apparently they claim to charge from $0 to $80, ranging from providing basic subscriber data to large content data sets. Unless this function is outsourced to a third world country in the stereotypical modern SP manner, I find it very hard to believe that such amounts cover enough of legal's time to review a request plus technical staff to actually comply with it. Based on these numbers, I highly doubt that Yahoo is exploiting their subscribers and making a profit on this, rather than the more likely scenario of just attempting to cover costs.

Paralegals charge more per hour, and they don't even know anything. Of course, you do want someone to review all requests in an attempt to protect your privacy to the fullest extent possible, instead of blindly complying with everything that arrives? That someone costs $ and there are two ways of recovering that cost. The first is by directly charging the party responsible (law enforcement) and the second is by raising rates for all customers. Somehow I get the feeling that "we're raising your rates to protect your privacy" is going to be a tough sell. Thus, it's in users' best interests for such costs to be recovered through the first option.

There is also the highly unfortunate Canadian way: turn ISPs into unpaid police reporting bureaus when an effective organization already exists (that's a reference to the recent child porn bill), but that's going OT.

Furthermore, the language in the Yahoo document discourages broad/frequent/multiple requests and makes it difficult to obtain an "emergency" disclosure without normal process (which they say they may deny anyway). IMHO, they are not "trying to make money by selling out their users". The way things were phrased left me only with the impression that they're dealing with a huge volume of requests and made this FAQ in an effort to avoid having to repeat themselves.

Whether it's with compliance itself, costs, or immunity, one thing's for sure: the SPs are the ones always getting trapped in the middle between the law and users. SPs are the real victims in many cases. Law enforcement always wants more powers, more ease of access, and for someone else to do their work for them, for free. Users always want more protection, for free, but also the ability to sue and libel you at will. Allocating resources to manage problems which have nothing to do with you costs $ and is annoying, not to mention potentially damaging to your reputation. Every action that a SP takes never satisfies fully all three parties.

Achieving a balance in compliance, technical challenges, cost recovery, and immunity, is a very very tough thing and we have some existing poor laws and practices which exacerbate this problem. From my limited knowledge, this is true of the US too.
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Erik - Caneris Inc.

reply to chronoss2009
wihtout reading beyond your 1st two paragraphs ill say again the device they hook up doenst just get or monitor ONE persons email it was designed to do so for THE ENTIRE server
which is why they charge an avg ( which is medium price of 0 -80)

zero? they are freely giving it way in some cases?Yea sure.
and your telling me that a corproate behaving entity like orgers is doing this out of the good ness of society and not for profit
80$ for all my email ...you got ripped off all i have to say as theres like 500 mails form me and bce

see the picture though they hook em up cause a one guy on a box and the thing i will say again is ONCE THEY DO THAT THEY ARE HARVESTING EVERYONE ON THAT SERVER

go read what they had to do with carnivore and echelon
think of it as easier more refined and ready for cell,and 100megabit lines now
aka wired fbi leak on the data device to log in real time the traffic
it takes a good hour and half a hour to get carnivore going.
YOU wont notice anything unless you were email p2ping
aka french invention that was dead as fast as dreamed up

balance in what complying to people to look in my underwear drawer isn't what anyone wants its called privacy

technical what attach this to that and that to this and flip a switch swap out drives as required when lil green light say FULL
um you think this stuff the way you speak was a truck load a equipment and 40 people hooking it up ITS NOT and dont try and tell me or these people it is.
did you read up on how small that device is to real time monitor the 100 megabit line, talk was they could be placing them into all your routers and modems and you'd not even know it.

Funnier still that after that leak at wired was when we started to actually see 50megabit and up speeds in north America, my guess is japan and north Korea where they have laws that would allow for certain stuff were the test ground ( now thats my lil conspiracy addon to it all ) not that i much care as i said its about another govt dictating what they can and cant do with my data ( i haven't used yahoo since it was originally sold btw )

remember log files that get encrypted are SUPER SMALL and your not likely on 100megabit line to notice a degradation if and especially when "UP TO SPEED" is the law of the land and its always been that way

conspiracies aside this type a tech is OUT THERE and working very very well

All this bushy style crazy take our rights off and shoot democracy in the butt has to stop , we citizens of democracy deserve more then we have been getting. since when is no oversite by our own citizens data and privacy been a standard law and of practice
i dont see a law that states its legal to hand my data to anyone outside of Canada at will for ANY money in fact didst face book get trouble over there privacy policy that didn't protect our data?
A) if said tech is to be used it should be used by Canadian law enforcement
B)if said investigation leads them to get OTHER jurisdictions invoked the proper procedures must be followed to uphold a rule of law. Otherwise lets disband our law enforcement and cancel our laws and let american coppers come up and start doing it now.

THIS is what led to carnivore in 1st place getting into trouble for spying on UK citizens data without proper authorization

NOW as rogers is Canadian and they own yahoo and prolly a lot a canucks have said email then we should have some proper legal response as to why any of our data on a server with sme american who does wrong is being data farmed by Americans

THAT'S the issue kind sirs
we are not in debate here about our own law enforcement doing this its about an American entity doing this

yea see what rogers said in response to the article how it would damage there image , heh that happened a long time ago mister rogers CEO.

I like many dont have so much a issue with our police doing it as americans just are NOT the kind to be trusted and one major issue is ya so what i download its not illegal i make it well known i have levied cdrs , guess what no way will i ever travel to the usa neither should many canucks especially if your the kind to speak out on these issues cause while they may not bother many they will or can go after you that speak.

cat stevens on a no fly list that was funny and a great way to do you in.

reply to CanerisErik

OK, which one? When I search the Yahoo PDF for 150 I can't find such a number...
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reply to chronoss2009
Just means I wont be using yahoo any more. Who knows if they will sell my info for profit.

Im just gonna delete my yahoo accounts.