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Lazlow

join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
reply to k1ll3rdr4g0n

Re: So....

As long as you are just listening it is legal. If you transmit to connect to the AP then you are probably over the line.

From your link:

"No. Wardriving solely to detect the presence of wireless access points without malicious intent in and of itself is not illegal."

I noticed you did not bother to answer the question, which would indicate the answer to be no. Proving my point.

Considering the way the legal system has been going lately, you are unlikely to find a source that you could sue(reputable source) that will post any information on the topic.

There are five linux users within a block of me, and one of those is over 70. The local LUG had to find a new place to hold its meeting becuase there was not enough space.

All three of these(below) use the 2870 chipset which requires using the nemesis driver(for injection). They are all three on the shelf at our local Walmart. There are probably others that would be functional too, I just have not taken the time to look around and see.

Linksys USB600N
Linksys WUSB100
Belkin F6D4050

k1ll3rdr4g0n

join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
said by Lazlow:

As long as you are just listening it is legal. If you transmit to connect to the AP then you are probably over the line.

From your link:

"No. Wardriving solely to detect the presence of wireless access points without malicious intent in and of itself is not illegal."
It is a very gray area. Lets leave it at that.
For example, taking pictures publicly is not a crime, however, if a person wishes for you not to take their picture then it is illegal. Which one would say "how would one know the other people also don't want their picture taken?".

said by Lazlow:

I noticed you did not bother to answer the question, which would indicate the answer to be no. Proving my point.
I didn't answer your question directly because it was a personal attack. I refuse to encourage ignorance.

said by Lazlow:

Considering the way the legal system has been going lately, you are unlikely to find a source that you could sue(reputable source) that will post any information on the topic.
Wait, what? I would press charges against the person?

said by Lazlow:

There are five linux users within a block of me, and one of those is over 70. The local LUG had to find a new place to hold its meeting becuase there was not enough space.
Like I said, in my area this is what I noticed. I acknlowedge there are different parts in the world. Different people; different interests.

said by Lazlow:

All three of these(below) use the 2870 chipset which requires using the nemesis driver(for injection). They are all three on the shelf at our local Walmart. There are probably others that would be functional too, I just have not taken the time to look around and see.

Linksys USB600N
Linksys WUSB100
Belkin F6D4050
I looked up the first one here: »linux-wless.passys.nl/query_host···stif=USB
And found that it used the Ralink chipset.

Jumping to the aircrack project:
»www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=···_drivers

quote:
Ralink makes some nice b/g chipsets, and has been very cooperative with the open-source community to release GPL drivers. Packet injection is now fully supported under Linux on PCI/CardBus RT2500 cards, and also works on USB RT2570 devices. However, these cards are very temperamental, hard to get working, and have a tendency to work for a while then stop working for no reason. Furthermore, the RT2570 driver (such as that for the chipset inside the Linksys WUSB54Gv4) is currently unusable on big endian systems, such as the PowerPC. Cards with Ralink chipsets should not be your first choice.
You are right in saying it may be supported, but from that do you really think that card is a good choice?

I couldn't find the WUSB100, but the F6D4050 is in that list and it is also Ralink. Again, this only strengthens my theory that the cards you need aren't readily avaiable at your local Best Buy.

Unless you know of another wireless cracking project that DOES support Ralink without any negative comments?

Lazlow

join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
Ok, if you do not have the vocabulary or know the symbols to look for(most basic skill), it is a little like hunting deer without knowing what they look like. In either case you are not going to find what you are looking for.

Poor choice of words on my part, I did not mean to infer you. I meant that some company (riaa/mpaa like in nature).

All three of those do work IF you use the nemesis driver instead of the manufactures drivers, which is why I specifically mentioned it. With this driver it seems to function acceptably. I assume that the nemesis driver is newer than that list you used.

k1ll3rdr4g0n

join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
said by Lazlow:

Ok, if you do not have the vocabulary or know the symbols to look for(most basic skill), it is a little like hunting deer without knowing what they look like. In either case you are not going to find what you are looking for.

Poor choice of words on my part, I did not mean to infer you. I meant that some company (riaa/mpaa like in nature).

All three of those do work IF you use the nemesis driver instead of the manufactures drivers, which is why I specifically mentioned it. With this driver it seems to function acceptably. I assume that the nemesis driver is newer than that list you used.
I know exactly what to look for, and the fact that EVERYONE I have run into defiantly don't show an interest in anything like this. Granted I don't bust into people's homes and check out their setup so my experience can only account for a small percentile...but I can only present my facts. I am not doubting that there are other Linux users in my neighborhood, it just seems like they choose not to be known for whatever reason. Do you really want me to poll the computer scientists just to prove a point?

And wait, I didn't list a driver? I used the actual wireless cracking program's site as evidence. Nemesis driver or not, they go out of their way to mention that. Can you post a link to the Nemesis driver that specifically says "this will work better than any other driver" or something similar. I would like to take your word for it, however, since you mentioned as evidence in your argument I feel it is your responsibility to back up your claims. And if its a hardware issue causing the malfunction of the card, then a different driver will most likely not fix the problem.

Lazlow

join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO

1 edit
The symbols I was referring to have nothing to do with Linux, which seems to be what your first paragraph is inferring.

I forgot that the nemesis driver is just the modified(for linksys) hirte driver.

»forums.remote-exploit.org/136476-post1.html

"One thing to keep in mind is you can find an official, better working driver for this chipset from Ralink's website. This driver DOES support monitor mode but DOESN'T support injection. Seeing as how injection is kind of necessary to the point of thats probably why you got Backtrack, this is the answer for you"

You will note that the driver is stored on aircrack-ng.org. I suspect that the link that you posted is just dated. On the original driver series it did not work very well. Newer drivers came along that do, but your link just did not get updated.

IF I recall correctly the reason the original driver series did not work very well had to do with the driver not properly handling the transmit power control on the chipset. The driver would leave the power at full blast all the time until it overheated. The newer drivers do not seem to have a problem.