 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | reply to state
Re: Works for me.... said by state:As long as they provide the speeds I'm paying for, I don't care if it's delivered with shoestrings tied together hanging from the pole. I tend to agree with that statement. A lot of people (here specifically) get a little too excited by the term 'fiber', when at the end of the day it really doesnt mean anything. Assuming the provider can give you solid service, the delivery medium is rather pointless.
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| said by wifi4milez: I tend to agree with that statement. A lot of people (here specifically) get a little too excited by the term 'fiber', when at the end of the day it really doesnt mean anything. Assuming the provider can give you solid service, the delivery medium is rather pointless. Yea, yea.....enjoy your non fiber internet as over here fiber can actually mean 100/100MBps speeds which cable can't even achieve! |
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 alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA | reply to wifi4milez
said by wifi4milez:said by state:As long as they provide the speeds I'm paying for, I don't care if it's delivered with shoestrings tied together hanging from the pole. I tend to agree with that statement. A lot of people (here specifically) get a little too excited by the term 'fiber', when at the end of the day it really doesnt mean anything. Assuming the provider can give you solid service, the delivery medium is rather pointless. Well Fiber is the ultimate connection, that will give you the most bandwidth. People here tend to look at the small picture, and only care about Internet Speeds. They forget or don't understand there is a lot more information out there that will use that Last Mile Connection, and when more Bandwidth is needed everyone will be crying for Fiber! |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | reply to Wa Resident
said by Wa Resident :said by wifi4milez: I tend to agree with that statement. A lot of people (here specifically) get a little too excited by the term 'fiber', when at the end of the day it really doesnt mean anything. Assuming the provider can give you solid service, the delivery medium is rather pointless. Yea, yea.....enjoy your non fiber internet as over here fiber can actually mean 100/100MBps speeds which cable can't even achieve! I have fiber internet, and its no better than HFC based internet to be honest.
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | reply to alchav
said by alchav:said by wifi4milez:said by state:As long as they provide the speeds I'm paying for, I don't care if it's delivered with shoestrings tied together hanging from the pole. I tend to agree with that statement. A lot of people (here specifically) get a little too excited by the term 'fiber', when at the end of the day it really doesnt mean anything. Assuming the provider can give you solid service, the delivery medium is rather pointless. Well Fiber is the ultimate connection, that will give you the most bandwidth. People here tend to look at the small picture, and only care about Internet Speeds. They forget or don't understand there is a lot more information out there that will use that Last Mile Connection, and when more Bandwidth is needed everyone will be crying for Fiber! I am not arguing that in the future there will be a benefit to a 100% fiber connection, however right now when comparing a like-for-like service there is no discernible difference. Frankly, assuming HFC (and other technologies) can keep updating their offerings there could conceivably be no reason for people to opt for fiber.
Let me point out that I am a FIOS customer, so my above viewpoint has nothing to do with me not having enough fiber in my life!
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said by Wa Resident :said by wifi4milez: I tend to agree with that statement. A lot of people (here specifically) get a little too excited by the term 'fiber', when at the end of the day it really doesnt mean anything. Assuming the provider can give you solid service, the delivery medium is rather pointless. Yea, yea.....enjoy your non fiber internet as over here fiber can actually mean 100/100MBps speeds which cable can't even achieve! The irony of this is that the only provider delivering 100Mbps speeds to the home is not a FTTH provider. It is a cable company. |
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| said by fifty nine:The irony of this is that the only provider delivering 100Mbps speeds to the home is not a FTTH provider. It is a cable company. Wanna bet?..........100/100MB residential fiber has been available here in WA state for years now!
These fiber internet providers also offer phone and tv service. So no, it's not just verizon or cable companies offering such services. |
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| said by WA Resident :said by fifty nine:The irony of this is that the only provider delivering 100Mbps speeds to the home is not a FTTH provider. It is a cable company. Wanna bet?..........100/100MB residential fiber has been available here in WA state for years now! These fiber internet providers also offer phone and tv service. So no, it's not just verizon or cable companies offering such services. OK so you'll find it in some small pockets here and there. No big deal.
Most people on FTTH are seeing much less. Verizon doesn't even have a 100Mbps planned deployment to home users yet.
Right now, FTTH is cutting edge and it remains to be seen whether it will be mainstream or not.
If cable companies need to upgrade to FTTH, it is not that difficult for them since most of the way has already been covered by fiber. |
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said by wifi4milez:I have fiber internet, and its no better than HFC based internet to be honest. Ok, well you may have fiber that has a decent speed but around here the cable companies just can't match the speed of the fiber providers.
Heck, around this little area the cable company doesn't even offer any internet but there is an all fiber network that the Public Utility Disctrict (electric power company) built which provides residents with internet, tv programming and phone service (depending upon the ISP).
The PUD can't sell any internet services directly to customers (state law) so therefore they sell acces to whatever ISP wants to offer their services to PUD customers. |
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join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay Reviews:
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said by wifi4milez:I am not arguing that in the future there will be a benefit to a 100% fiber connection, however right now when comparing a like-for-like service there is no discernible difference. Frankly, assuming HFC (and other technologies) can keep updating their offerings there could conceivably be no reason for people to opt for fiber. I can agree to a certain extent. As simultaneously both a coax and fiber customer (Road Runner and FIOS), it's easy for me to make A/B comparisons. Aside from the futureproofing advantage of fiber, there is also somewhat lower latency on similar distances. For example, locally both FIOS and Road Runner aggregate their traffic into Tampa, where the regionally backhauled traffic reaches transit.
On Road Runner, I'm 12 ms from their core in Tampa. On FIOS, I reach Tampa in 3 ms. I suspect the added latency at least in part comes from the coax-to-fiber media conversion, not to mention the head-end aggregation strategy of cable.
Speed-wise, 20 Mbps is 20 Mbps, regardless of the media on which the packets ride. As long as the provider delivers the speed I pay for, I'm less concerned with HOW they do it. However, one day when Gig-E connections to the home are common, you can bet it won't be on coax.
Reliability-wise, my Road Runner connection has been flawless in the nearly 8 years I've had it-- with the exception of a defective board in the tap outside which needed replaced. I don't hold that against them.
Where the cable company fails, is in what it can realistically offer on upstream speeds today, due to the limitations of the technology used. Locally, Road Runner Lightning is 40/5. For a lot less money, I get more than 20 Mbps upstream on FIOS.
If I was forced to drop one of my connections, I would drop Road Runner-- but NOT from a lack of reliability. The deciding factors would be lower latency, higher speeds (especially upstream), and more a favorable price per megabit. |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | said by rebus9:On Road Runner, I'm 12 ms from their core in Tampa. On FIOS, I reach Tampa in 3 ms. I would suspect that has more to do with hops to the respective sites you are pinging than anything else. |
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rebus9
join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay Reviews:
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1 edit | said by wifi4milez:I would suspect that has more to do with hops to the respective sites you are pinging than anything else. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I'm speaking of latency reaching each provider's core in Tampa, from a neighborhood just outside of Tampa. This is where each provider aggregates their traffic for the region.
This makes for a reasonably fair comparison, because I am only comparing latency in the backhaul-- not latency to destinations reached via their transit. |
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said by fifty nine:said by WA Resident :said by fifty nine:The irony of this is that the only provider delivering 100Mbps speeds to the home is not a FTTH provider. It is a cable company. Wanna bet?..........100/100MB residential fiber has been available here in WA state for years now! These fiber internet providers also offer phone and tv service. So no, it's not just verizon or cable companies offering such services. OK so you'll find it in some small pockets here and there. No big deal. Most people on FTTH are seeing much less. Verizon doesn't even have a 100Mbps planned deployment to home users yet. Right now, FTTH is cutting edge and it remains to be seen whether it will be mainstream or not. If cable companies need to upgrade to FTTH, it is not that difficult for them since most of the way has already been covered by fiber. Yea, cable companies in rural areas like this one really have it that easy when they can't even provide that much tv let alone provide internet....meaning, there is no fiber at all.
I believe that FTTH is the future as there's many fiber networks being built. The county that i live in is still building out their network in order to reach more rural residents. Heck, even cows, goats and pigs have access to fiber around here since it runs along the farms, i could even take pics of the goats with the fiber lines overhead in case you wouldn't believe me. |
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Here's an article from early 2002 about one of Washington's PUDs which offers fiber to the home.
"Residents and businesses in Grant County can make Voice Over IP telephone calls, order Video On Demand movies and access the Internet over their 1 gigabit fiber-optic connections. Each Zipp connection to the home or business is capable of two-way service at 1 gigabit per second speeds."
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 ericn32mehPremium
join:2009-09-23
Costa Mesa, CA
·Time Warner Cable
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said by Wa Resident :said by wifi4milez: I tend to agree with that statement. A lot of people (here specifically) get a little too excited by the term 'fiber', when at the end of the day it really doesnt mean anything. Assuming the provider can give you solid service, the delivery medium is rather pointless. Yea, yea.....enjoy your non fiber internet as over here fiber can actually mean 100/100MBps speeds which cable can't even achieve! Technically speaking, this could be achieved. |
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join:2009-09-23
Costa Mesa, CA Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
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said by fifty nine:said by WA Resident :said by fifty nine:The irony of this is that the only provider delivering 100Mbps speeds to the home is not a FTTH provider. It is a cable company. Wanna bet?..........100/100MB residential fiber has been available here in WA state for years now! These fiber internet providers also offer phone and tv service. So no, it's not just verizon or cable companies offering such services. OK so you'll find it in some small pockets here and there. No big deal. Most people on FTTH are seeing much less. Verizon doesn't even have a 100Mbps planned deployment to home users yet. Right now, FTTH is cutting edge and it remains to be seen whether it will be mainstream or not. If cable companies need to upgrade to FTTH, it is not that difficult for them since most of the way has already been covered by fiber. I think we will see fiber to the last amp (FTTLA) before we see FTTH. It has practically identical capabilites if the system is 1GHz. On my street, that could work out to 10 QAM channels (380 Mbps using DOCSIS) per house passed |
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said by Wa Resident :said by wifi4milez: I tend to agree with that statement. A lot of people (here specifically) get a little too excited by the term 'fiber', when at the end of the day it really doesnt mean anything. Assuming the provider can give you solid service, the delivery medium is rather pointless. Yea, yea.....enjoy your non fiber internet as over here fiber can actually mean 100/100MBps speeds which cable can't even achieve! Can't achieve??? Docsis 3 allows speeds up to 343 mbps. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Speed_Tables
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| So why aren't we seeing any cable operators offering 343Mbps speeds?.........They don't even offer 100MBps symmetrical.
Fiber networks have been offering residents 100/100MBps speeds since 2001 in Washington state. They offered Tv programming with video on demand and phone service since 2001 as well.
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| said by WA_Resident:So why aren't we seeing any cable operators offering 343Mbps speeds?.........They don't even offer 100MBps symmetrical. Fiber networks have been offering residents 100/100MBps speeds since 2001 in Washington state. They offered Tv programming with video on demand and phone service since 2001 as well. And how much a month are they charging for 100/100? Comcast charges over $100/month for 50/10. True can offer much higher speeds, but the price would be so high that no one could afford it.
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