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walterj5

join:2007-07-18

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Corporations have no 1st amendment rights

The Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution and is law. The original 10 amendments were included to protect individual citizens from the "tyranny of the majority" amongst other things. The only business interest included was the press and applied to "political speech" in particular. We see legitimate limitations on "free speech" from the founding of the nation - the classic instance being "no one has the right to yell 'fire' in a crowded theatre. We have law that covers slander and libel and apply to individuals and even the press. We have laws regulating advertising; i.e. cigarettes and alcohol.

Corporations are not citizens. Only a citizen can vote or join the armed forces, etc. Only citizens died for this country. And only citizens give up their children for the defence of corporations as well as the nation. That is a moral argument but it is what the founders intended and Americans fought for in the revolution.

In fact, only citizens have the right to petition the government (lobby). Therefore, corporate lobbying is unconstitutional but corporate money has overpowered our political/legal system on that front.

In short, democracy and capitalism are not related. Just as no business is a democracy (ask any manager or owner) this government is not a business. We use capitalism because it serves the needs of our society. Our government is a democracy of citizens who have the right to thwart the abuses of capitalism any time need arises. Corporations benefit from the armed forces, laws protecting patents and property, a court system to settle disputes, ... Citizens get jobs and means for an economy to function.

The last 8 years prove unfettered capitalism, corruption and greed can destroy this nation.

And quit hiding behind "the children" to push your fascist agenda. The ends do not justify the means. Without the Bill of Rights we fight for nothing, It is the only thing that separates our society from a terrorist society.


DaveDude
No Fear

join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
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unfettered ? What are you talking about ? It was the CRA which forced banks to make unsecured loans. Oh btw instead of playing partisan , notice this is the highest unemployment, and inflation has ever been. So keep blaming freedom. Just brush off corruption. Thats how we got here.

patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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reply to walterj5
said by walterj5:

Corporations are not citizens.
Yes they are.
said by walterj5:

Only a citizen can vote or join the armed forces, etc.
A corporation can be a defense contractor to protect the country.
said by walterj5:

Only citizens died for this country.
Lehman Brothers died for this country.
said by walterj5:

And only citizens give up their children for the defence of corporations as well as the nation.
Corporations give up their sole gain in life, profit, to pay for the defense of this country.

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1
said by patcat88:

said by walterj5:

Corporations are not citizens.
Yes they are.
said by walterj5:

Only a citizen can vote or join the armed forces, etc.
A corporation can be a defense contractor to protect the country.
said by walterj5:

Only citizens died for this country.
Lehman Brothers died for this country.
said by walterj5:

And only citizens give up their children for the defence of corporations as well as the nation.
Corporations give up their sole gain in life, profit, to pay for the defense of this country.
I can`t tell if you`re being sarcastic or not.

Lehman brothers the name died, but the people running the show still got their multimillion dollar bonuses and have since gone on to greener pastures.

Corporations apply for defense contracts because it is a huge boon to their bottom line. If it wasn`t for the incredible profit opportunity, they wouldn`t even bother.

Corporations do not pay for the defense of the country. They do research and development, manufacture goods, and sell those products for the sole purpose of making a profit.

Kearnstd
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
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reply to walterj5
just remember one thing about Net Neutrality, while you obsess over it just remember that in the name of it the value added services of your ISP such as online backup, in house streaming video, etc all count against your cap because of NN. on the flip side without even modern NN we would have totally tiered internet with the ISPs expecting protection money from google and the like.
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