 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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| Shoot him in the leg? The LEG? Are you KIDDING ME? Mother of the Gunman who shot up Times Square is crying about how the Cop should of just "Shot her son in the leg" to "Stop him."
For F's sake--- He had a MAC10 and he's shooting at the Officer and she says "Shoot him in the leg."
Cop did absolutely the right thing in shooting him down! Too bad you can't arrest the mother for unleashing such trash on the rest of humanity. We can sure see her values!
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| I believe the term is double tap to center mass. Lady, that's the reason they shot him, to stop him, not kill him. |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Lemme guess. The perp was probably one of those "good kids who never hurt anyone" right?
<sarcasm>
Also, this story seems a little too unbelievable for me. I thought guns like the MAC10 were illegal in New York City, after all.
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I think what the cops did was fine. I may be wrong about this, but I heard that when an office draws his weapon to shoot, the intent is to kill, not to wound. I'm sure there are PO's or other Government agency officers around that could correct me. |
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| said by Jeffrey:I think what the cops did was fine. I may be wrong about this, but I heard that when an office draws his weapon to shoot, the intent is to kill, not to wound. Generally, the definition of lawful use of lethal force is if you fear for your life, the life of another, or grievous bodily injury. The natural response to such a threat is to use lethal force lethally. When someone fires warning shots, or shoots only to wound, it's an admission that they didn't have a level of fear described above.
It's unintuitive. You'd think warning shots and wounding would be preferred over shooting to death. But, then there'd never be any clear threshold for the use of lethal force. People would try to shoot each other in the legs as a lessor use of force. Then it would be unclear who escalated it to the lethal shot.
Some states require you to retreat and have no further means of retreat before you can justify sufficient fear. If you had the option to retreat, then you shouldn't have feared for your life. (Not sure how that affects a situation where you fear for the life of another. Retreating wouldn't help the other person.).
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said by Jeffrey:I think what the cops did was fine. I may be wrong about this, but I heard that when an office draws his weapon to shoot, the intent is to kill, not to wound. I'm sure there are PO's or other Government agency officers around that could correct me. Yes, they aren't trained to wound, they're trained to kill anyone who they perceive as a threat of bodily harm to themselves or others. Give those cops a medal for taking out another scumbag.
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| said by Elcabong:said by Jeffrey:I think what the cops did was fine. I may be wrong about this, but I heard that when an office draws his weapon to shoot, the intent is to kill, not to wound. I'm sure there are PO's or other Government agency officers around that could correct me. Yes, they aren't trained to wound, they're trained to kill anyone who they perceive as a threat of bodily harm to themselves or others. Give those cops a medal for taking out another scumbag. Actually, as an Officer we are trained to "stop the threat". If their actions result in their own demise, that is no ones fault but their own. "Play stupid games, wins stupid prizes" |
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| Same thing that we were taught in CHL class, you are supposed to stop the threat. |
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| said by Austinloop:Same thing that we were taught in CHL class, you are supposed to stop the threat. We were taught the same thing, but with a slightly different emphasis. The threat had to rise to the level of fearing for your life, the life of another, or grievous bodily injury. And, that the response should be consistent with that threat. Brandishing a weapon, warning shots, "winging" the perp would all be behaviors inconsistent if someone truly feared for their life.
That's caused some problems in Arizona. Some people feared for their life and produced a weapon, only to have the perp back down. Then, the victim was portrayed as the aggressor, pointing a gun at them. The victim would say "but, I feared for my life at that moment." The prosecuting attorney would say "you didn't shoot, which proves you didn't fear."
There have been some people sent to prison for aggravated assault over that Catch 22. Usually it all depended on who called the police first. The victim felt like a problem had been averted, and there was no reason to bother the police. In the meantime, the perp was calling the police saying "this dude just pulled a gun on me!" The victim went to prison.
(I read that the law was changed recently in AZ to reduce the effect of this Catch 22. But, I haven't looked into it.).
Anyway, it gets to the circular nature of lethal force. How it can only be used in certain circumstances, and its use must confirm the circumstance which you believe exists.
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Philadelphia, PA | reply to Mannus
said by Mannus:said by Elcabong:said by Jeffrey:I think what the cops did was fine. I may be wrong about this, but I heard that when an office draws his weapon to shoot, the intent is to kill, not to wound. I'm sure there are PO's or other Government agency officers around that could correct me. Yes, they aren't trained to wound, they're trained to kill anyone who they perceive as a threat of bodily harm to themselves or others. Give those cops a medal for taking out another scumbag. Actually, as an Officer we are trained to "stop the threat". If their actions result in their own demise, that is no ones fault but their own. "Play stupid games, wins stupid prizes" Yeah, my son's a cop in Philly in the worst crack neighborhood nicknamed the "badlands" and he tells me what goes on there. I have friends who are now 25 yr veterans and in high places that could get him transferred to the best neighborhood in Center City but the kid just wants action and adrenaline for right now. He already put 5 slugs in a drug dealer who was reaching for something in a dark alley that my son chased him to. Too bad he didn't die.
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