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Re: Can't Help But Agree with This Wow, for someone that wasnt replying you certainly had a lot to say. And my reply to that is boo hoo to you corporations. So you think the value of your product is greater than the people are willing to pay. That's so so sad.
There is no law saying they are dumbpipes moron. However, there should be and hopefully by the time this is all said and done there will be. We can sugar coat dumbpipe and call them internet service providers if it makes you feel better. But really what does an ISP do? Let me give you a hint: They take a packet, they send a packet. That is pretty much a dumbpipe isn't it? AND that is exactly what they should be doing.
They want to get into the content business? Then let them form a company that is separate in every way to be a content provider. They should not be the content providers as well as dumbpipes because they are greedy bastards and can't control themselves when it comes to doing what is right (pass packets of competing providers) and doing what earns more money.
By thrive again I meant that without allowing them to create walled AOL gardens the people of the world will be able to continue to produce content that other people of the world want without the worry that ISP's won't sign off on it or give them "permission" to have their packets delivered. Nothing can thrive when there are major barriers in place. It can move forward as the internet is, but it can't thrive.
Of course prices are not going to get cheaper. Their goal is always to make more money, not less and being in an industry that has great barriers of entry and there are only a couple players in a vast majority of ALL markets why would prices ever come down? Their own actions speak for them self and the ONLY reason we probably don't have a full walled garden approach now is because the FCC got involved during the baby steps of this approach which scared the hell out of them.
The government needs really to just do one thing to settle this whole thing - Create one nationwide fiber network (one big dumbpipe) that connects all users and businesses that can be serviced by any ISP that elects to lease the line to service those people. Let Comcast, Charter, Cox, Verizon, AT&T, and whoever else wants to become a POP compete for every user and business in this country.
Otherwise they need to establish the below 2 rules:
1.) ISP's can't be content providers and content providers can't be ISP's nor may either enter into an agreement giving one or the other preferential treatment over any others.
2.) ISP's are to accept any and all legal packets and send any and all legal packets regardless of content, source, or destination in the most efficient and timely manner possible without discriminating the priority of one packet over another because of it's content, source, or destination. | |
fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | I believe in the freedom to make money.. I have YET to see anything so over priced or unreasonable that people can't afford it.. I assume that you think everyone should be able to have everything.. and in this society, this isn't true. you have to make choices and live with in your means.. if someone can't afford fast internet, full on cable tv, fully featured phone service, iPhones or expansive cell phones, then you have to make a decision that allows you to live with in your own means..
And as for being content providers.. they already are.. and as for their own cable TV services, since we're on the lines of cable, I have NO problem with them doing what they can to protect their own content.. and so far they are.. they instituted a 250gb cap, comcast has, and everything falls into that.. so what's your problem? .. I suppose they're just greedy bastards.. to be honest, your posts make you, yourself, sounds like a "greedy bastard".. you think? Being greedy works both ways.
There is NOTHING wrong with making "more money"... our economy and businesses have to have growth.. be VERY careful about talking about by how much
and the LAST people I want creating a dumb pipe is the government.. THAT statement of yours, alone, speaks VERY loudly of your intention.. the government is not the solution.. they are the problem...
And I hate to tell you.. cable TV companies were providers before they offered internet..
I'm sorry, I just can't agree, or even see your side, of any of your arguments.. they are WAY too dangerous. | |
 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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| said by fiberguy:I believe in the freedom to make money.. I have YET to see anything so over priced or unreasonable that people can't afford it.. Wow. Just wow.... you should try thinking outside your world for a minute. So, you've never seen people who have no medical insurance? You've never seen people who drive an old clunker instead of a new car? Better yet people who have no car period? Never seen people who will pay for one service and have to do without two others as a result? People who live in a crappy apartment in a Ghetto area of town instead of a nice place in the suburbs?
Seriously man, open your eyes. Not everyone has tons of extra money lying around to pay for rate increases and price jumps and new fees. Be glad you do.
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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 VanPremium
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New Orleans, LA | reply to fiberguy
said by fiberguy:I have YET to see anything so over priced or unreasonable that people can't afford it Now you just are lying so there isn't much more to argue about
Never seen anything so over-priced that people couldn't afford it?
Do you live inside a box? | |
fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | said by Van:said by fiberguy:I have YET to see anything so over priced or unreasonable that people can't afford it Now you just are lying so there isn't much more to argue about Never seen anything so over-priced that people couldn't afford it? Do you live inside a box? Don't make vague statements... speak your mind...
First of off, off your blanket statement, let me say that not everything is supposed to be affordable to everyone. We live in a system of classes and some people just aren't going to be able to afford everything they want. I'd love to have Mercedes and other fine cars a yachts but it's not going to happen. Not everyone needs to have an iPhone, for example, and not everyone needs full cable or the fastest internet or even mobile internet.. it's called "living in your means"... people often don't want to do that.
The basics of life, people can afford or find affordable options that suit their abilities. I will excuse health care from that issue because that's a whole other political nightmare.
Some people want to be able to buy prime rib at the store, while others can only afford 80/20 ground beef... um, so is life... that's how it works.
And then there is the whole conversation on one's own abilities to BE ABLE to afford something... there is one thing for sure, everyone in this country has the ability to obtain continuing education through student loans... many chose not to..
So, I'd like to see your response to this one. | | |
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