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 kapilThe Kapil
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Chicago, IL | What legal consequences? And for what, exactly? Paying customers using services they are charged very good money for?
Maybe AT&T should look at the billions in profits it's been raking in and spend some of it on its network.
And the FCC should be ashamed...had it not been asleep at the wheel, allowing the nation's infrastructure to be driven into a ditch by greedy corporations, we wouldn't be having this conversation today.
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| said by kapil:What legal consequences? How about a class action lawsuit against him for anyone not reaching 911 fast enough and dying or suffering medical consequences? Of course that lawsuit could include AT&T too. But he wouldn't be left out of it. |
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what is the dsifference between this and a ddos attack ? |
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kapilThe Kapil
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said by fAcEtIOUs:How about a class action lawsuit against him for anyone not reaching 911 fast enough and dying or suffering medical consequences? Of course that lawsuit could include AT&T too. But he wouldn't be left out of it. 1. Class action lawsuits don't work that way.
2. Data traffic won't impact voice traffic, unless their network is horribly configured.
3. Even then, 911 calls have priority over regular voice traffic.
4. There is a lot of legal fine print in wireless agreements about how 911 on a wireless phone is not a fail-proof thing.
I suspect you know most if not all of the above. But let's not let facts get in the way of a religious argument.
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kapilThe Kapil
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»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-···e_attack
A denial-of-service attack (DoS attack) or distributed denial-of-service attack (DDoS attack) is an attempt to make a computer resource unavailable to its intended users. In this case, there is no "attack", the intended users are merely using the services they pay for.
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said by kapil:said by fAcEtIOUs:How about a class action lawsuit against him for anyone not reaching 911 fast enough and dying or suffering medical consequences? Of course that lawsuit could include AT&T too. But he wouldn't be left out of it. 1. Class action lawsuits don't work that way. 2. Data traffic won't impact voice traffic, unless their network is horribly configured. 3. Even then, 911 calls have priority over regular voice traffic. 4. There is a lot of legal fine print in wireless agreements about how 911 on a wireless phone is not a fail-proof thing. I suspect you know most if not all of the above. But let's not let facts get in the way of a religious argument. And none of what you say would prevent the filing of a lawsuit. And it costs money to defend against, even if you are in the right. AT&T has plenty of money to fight back. Does Fake Steve Jobs?
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said by kapil:» en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-···e_attackA denial-of-service attack (DoS attack) or distributed denial-of-service attack (DDoS attack) is an attempt to make a computer resource unavailable to its intended users. In this case, there is no "attack", the intended users are merely using the services they pay for. No they aren't merely using the service. Their(and his encouragement) INTENT is a key factor in any court case.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by kapil:What legal consequences? How about a class action lawsuit against him for anyone not reaching 911 fast enough and dying or suffering medical consequences? Of course that lawsuit could include AT&T too. But he wouldn't be left out of it. It won't affect voice, only data. So anyone who needs to call 911 they will be able to. Think about it.. ever been in an area where there was NO DATA but only voice? The cell phone still works.
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kapilThe Kapil
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said by fAcEtIOUs:]No they aren't merely using the service. Oh, No? Are they all chanting "Kali Ma. Kali Ma" around a circle of fire, hoping to defeat the evil that is AT&T? Don't be silly. They are using services they are paying for. It's just that simple
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said by Rob:said by fAcEtIOUs:said by kapil:What legal consequences? How about a class action lawsuit against him for anyone not reaching 911 fast enough and dying or suffering medical consequences? Of course that lawsuit could include AT&T too. But he wouldn't be left out of it. It won't affect voice, only data. So anyone who needs to call 911 they will be able to. Think about it.. ever been in an area where there was NO DATA but only voice? The cell phone still works. And when data overloads the backhaul? You think voice calls won't be dropped? It happens all the time with AT&T and with many here complaining about just that problem.
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kapilThe Kapil
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said by fAcEtIOUs:And none of what you say would prevent the filing of a lawsuit. And it costs money to defend against, even if you are in the right. AT&T has plenty of money to fight back. Does Fake Steve Jobs? You are right. And given the fact that AT&T, when presented with two options will always pick the wrong one, they may very well end up suing. Just like they pursued the Verizon coverage ads. However that, just like the Verizon matter, would be very ill advised. I'm no AT&T fan, but I sure hope they have someone in their marketing or PR department with enough common sense to not extend this matter past its internet-meme shelf life.
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kapilThe Kapil
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said by fAcEtIOUs:And when data overloads the backhaul? You think voice calls won't be dropped? It happens all the time with AT&T and with many here complaining about just that problem. Again, wireless networks don't work that way. There is a technical reason that won't happen unless, once again, AT&T has idiots building its network.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by kapil:What legal consequences? How about a class action lawsuit against him for anyone not reaching 911 fast enough and dying or suffering medical consequences? Of course that lawsuit could include AT&T too. But he wouldn't be left out of it. Does eating up the bandwidth really affect phone calls? Seems like AT&T would be liable as that means at anytime their 911 service (or phone) would go down if everyone got online and started downloading regardless if someone told them or not. 
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| said by knightmb:said by fAcEtIOUs:said by kapil:What legal consequences? How about a class action lawsuit against him for anyone not reaching 911 fast enough and dying or suffering medical consequences? Of course that lawsuit could include AT&T too. But he wouldn't be left out of it. Does eating up the bandwidth really affect phone calls? Seems like AT&T would be liable as that means at anytime their 911 service (or phone) would go down if everyone got online and started downloading regardless if someone told them or not. All I know is that my brother & his wife have AT&T and they drop calls all the time. And it is usually when they are in or near a major college campus in Phlia where heavy data usage would be expected. Maybe it is a coincidence, but I think not. And it happens with both an iPhone and an LG feature phone
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said by fAcEtIOUs:And when data overloads the backhaul? You think voice calls won't be dropped? It happens all the time with AT&T and with many here complaining about just that problem. If AT&T setup their network correctly, then no, that shouldn't happen.
In fact, if it DOES happen, then it's a good thing that Fake Steve Jobs has encouraged this chokehold movement. Maybe we can finally see how reliable AT&T network is and if it's setup correctly.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:And none of what you say would prevent the filing of a lawsuit. And it costs money to defend against, even if you are in the right. AT&T has plenty of money to fight back. Does Fake Steve Jobs? and there it is in a nutshell folks - how things work in the U.S.
don't like what a customer says about your network - sue their @ss!
don't like a competitor offering a better product for a lower price - sue their @ss!
they don't have to be right, they don't even have to have a case; if you can't afford to fight it, you're toast!
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| said by nasadude:said by fAcEtIOUs:And none of what you say would prevent the filing of a lawsuit. And it costs money to defend against, even if you are in the right. AT&T has plenty of money to fight back. Does Fake Steve Jobs? and there it is in a nutshell folks - how things work in the U.S. don't like what a customer says about your network - sue their @ss! Huge difference between not liking what they say and the "customer" leading an effort to taking the network down. |
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if anything this is a digital protest, the constitution grants us citizens the right to gather protest which is basically what lyons wants for users who pay for a service to protest by showing that the att network sucks. If the data traffic effects voice calls, and someone couldnt think through, well then apparently att needs to beef up the service because they couldnt supply a service which they promise to provide. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:All I know is that my brother & his wife have AT&T and they drop calls all the time. And it is usually when they are in or near a major college campus in Phlia where heavy data usage would be expected. Maybe it is a coincidence, but I think not. And it happens with both an iPhone and an LG feature phone Chances are that if this a truly "major college campus", then they would have wifi for their students, so I'm going to say that it's just a coincidence.
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