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Re: Fake Steve Jobs weasling - worried about legal charges? said by kapil:What legal consequences? How about a class action lawsuit against him for anyone not reaching 911 fast enough and dying or suffering medical consequences? Of course that lawsuit could include AT&T too. But he wouldn't be left out of it. |
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Chicago, IL | said by fAcEtIOUs:How about a class action lawsuit against him for anyone not reaching 911 fast enough and dying or suffering medical consequences? Of course that lawsuit could include AT&T too. But he wouldn't be left out of it. 1. Class action lawsuits don't work that way.
2. Data traffic won't impact voice traffic, unless their network is horribly configured.
3. Even then, 911 calls have priority over regular voice traffic.
4. There is a lot of legal fine print in wireless agreements about how 911 on a wireless phone is not a fail-proof thing.
I suspect you know most if not all of the above. But let's not let facts get in the way of a religious argument.
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| said by kapil:said by fAcEtIOUs:How about a class action lawsuit against him for anyone not reaching 911 fast enough and dying or suffering medical consequences? Of course that lawsuit could include AT&T too. But he wouldn't be left out of it. 1. Class action lawsuits don't work that way. 2. Data traffic won't impact voice traffic, unless their network is horribly configured. 3. Even then, 911 calls have priority over regular voice traffic. 4. There is a lot of legal fine print in wireless agreements about how 911 on a wireless phone is not a fail-proof thing. I suspect you know most if not all of the above. But let's not let facts get in the way of a religious argument. And none of what you say would prevent the filing of a lawsuit. And it costs money to defend against, even if you are in the right. AT&T has plenty of money to fight back. Does Fake Steve Jobs?
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by kapil:What legal consequences? How about a class action lawsuit against him for anyone not reaching 911 fast enough and dying or suffering medical consequences? Of course that lawsuit could include AT&T too. But he wouldn't be left out of it. It won't affect voice, only data. So anyone who needs to call 911 they will be able to. Think about it.. ever been in an area where there was NO DATA but only voice? The cell phone still works.
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| said by Rob:said by fAcEtIOUs:said by kapil:What legal consequences? How about a class action lawsuit against him for anyone not reaching 911 fast enough and dying or suffering medical consequences? Of course that lawsuit could include AT&T too. But he wouldn't be left out of it. It won't affect voice, only data. So anyone who needs to call 911 they will be able to. Think about it.. ever been in an area where there was NO DATA but only voice? The cell phone still works. And when data overloads the backhaul? You think voice calls won't be dropped? It happens all the time with AT&T and with many here complaining about just that problem.
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kapilThe Kapil
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said by fAcEtIOUs:And none of what you say would prevent the filing of a lawsuit. And it costs money to defend against, even if you are in the right. AT&T has plenty of money to fight back. Does Fake Steve Jobs? You are right. And given the fact that AT&T, when presented with two options will always pick the wrong one, they may very well end up suing. Just like they pursued the Verizon coverage ads. However that, just like the Verizon matter, would be very ill advised. I'm no AT&T fan, but I sure hope they have someone in their marketing or PR department with enough common sense to not extend this matter past its internet-meme shelf life.
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kapilThe Kapil
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said by fAcEtIOUs:And when data overloads the backhaul? You think voice calls won't be dropped? It happens all the time with AT&T and with many here complaining about just that problem. Again, wireless networks don't work that way. There is a technical reason that won't happen unless, once again, AT&T has idiots building its network.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by kapil:What legal consequences? How about a class action lawsuit against him for anyone not reaching 911 fast enough and dying or suffering medical consequences? Of course that lawsuit could include AT&T too. But he wouldn't be left out of it. Does eating up the bandwidth really affect phone calls? Seems like AT&T would be liable as that means at anytime their 911 service (or phone) would go down if everyone got online and started downloading regardless if someone told them or not. 
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| said by knightmb:said by fAcEtIOUs:said by kapil:What legal consequences? How about a class action lawsuit against him for anyone not reaching 911 fast enough and dying or suffering medical consequences? Of course that lawsuit could include AT&T too. But he wouldn't be left out of it. Does eating up the bandwidth really affect phone calls? Seems like AT&T would be liable as that means at anytime their 911 service (or phone) would go down if everyone got online and started downloading regardless if someone told them or not. All I know is that my brother & his wife have AT&T and they drop calls all the time. And it is usually when they are in or near a major college campus in Phlia where heavy data usage would be expected. Maybe it is a coincidence, but I think not. And it happens with both an iPhone and an LG feature phone
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said by fAcEtIOUs:And when data overloads the backhaul? You think voice calls won't be dropped? It happens all the time with AT&T and with many here complaining about just that problem. If AT&T setup their network correctly, then no, that shouldn't happen.
In fact, if it DOES happen, then it's a good thing that Fake Steve Jobs has encouraged this chokehold movement. Maybe we can finally see how reliable AT&T network is and if it's setup correctly.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:And none of what you say would prevent the filing of a lawsuit. And it costs money to defend against, even if you are in the right. AT&T has plenty of money to fight back. Does Fake Steve Jobs? and there it is in a nutshell folks - how things work in the U.S.
don't like what a customer says about your network - sue their @ss!
don't like a competitor offering a better product for a lower price - sue their @ss!
they don't have to be right, they don't even have to have a case; if you can't afford to fight it, you're toast!
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if anything this is a digital protest, the constitution grants us citizens the right to gather protest which is basically what lyons wants for users who pay for a service to protest by showing that the att network sucks. If the data traffic effects voice calls, and someone couldnt think through, well then apparently att needs to beef up the service because they couldnt supply a service which they promise to provide. |
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said by nasadude:said by fAcEtIOUs:And none of what you say would prevent the filing of a lawsuit. And it costs money to defend against, even if you are in the right. AT&T has plenty of money to fight back. Does Fake Steve Jobs? and there it is in a nutshell folks - how things work in the U.S. don't like what a customer says about your network - sue their @ss! Huge difference between not liking what they say and the "customer" leading an effort to taking the network down. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:All I know is that my brother & his wife have AT&T and they drop calls all the time. And it is usually when they are in or near a major college campus in Phlia where heavy data usage would be expected. Maybe it is a coincidence, but I think not. And it happens with both an iPhone and an LG feature phone Chances are that if this a truly "major college campus", then they would have wifi for their students, so I'm going to say that it's just a coincidence.
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Totally agreed. T minus 2 hours and 15 minutes until I see what AT&T's network is made of around here. FWIW, AT&T isn't NEAR as congested down here as it is in some areas in the Denver metro. As in, full signal (-65 RSSI) and still can't break 800 kbps congested. |
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If it's a college campus, the college 99.99% likely has WiFi, and all the iPhones would be happily chugging away on the campus's WiFi network. Voice is another matter...if there are a LOT of people using AT&T phones the voice network might actually be overloaded. Different problem altogether and won't be impacted either way by Chokehold. |
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said by iansltx:Totally agreed. T minus 2 hours and 15 minutes until I see what AT&T's network is made of around here. FWIW, AT&T isn't NEAR as congested down here as it is in some areas in the Denver metro. As in, full signal (-65 RSSI) and still can't break 800 kbps congested. Chances are the network will not crash, and AT&T will put out press releases congratulating themselves for an awesomeness network.
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said by Rob:Chances are the network will not crash, and AT&T will put out press releases congratulating themselves for an awesomeness network. Chances are the network will crash, and AT&T will still put out press releases congratulating themselves for an awesomeness network.
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kudos:2 | said by funchords:said by Rob:Chances are the network will not crash, and AT&T will put out press releases congratulating themselves for an awesomeness network. Chances are the network will crash, and AT&T will still put out press releases congratulating themselves for an awesomeness network. LOL. They know how to turn shit into gold, I give them credit for that.
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