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Gbcue
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Headlight Color Temperature

So I'm looking to get whiter lights, something like 4300K (Toyota/Lexus OEM white HID color temperature) or so, but I'm having a hard time finding datasheets on this information...

Anybody know where there are datasheets for:

GE NightHawk
GE NightHawk Sport
Philips X-treme Power
Philips CrystalVision Ultra

Anything that is similar in color temperature that people have used?

I don't really want the Sylvania SilverStar due to their short lifespans.
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way2evil
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So you just want to change the bulbs? Do you have HIDs already?


Gbcue
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I don't have HIDs, just halogens, and am looking for something in a whiter color temperature.
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south1178
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said by Gbcue:

I don't have HIDs, just halogens, and am looking for something in a whiter color temperature.
Get Sylvania Silverstars. They are a bright white on my car.
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4300k is actually more on a yellow side if it's a true color temp rating... Try 5000k, that's about as white as you get before it starts getting a blue tint.

edit with better kelvin scale
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Gbcue
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reply to south1178
said by south1178:

said by Gbcue:

I don't have HIDs, just halogens, and am looking for something in a whiter color temperature.
Get Sylvania Silverstars. They are a bright white on my car.
Did you read what I said?
said by Gbcue:

I don't really want the Sylvania SilverStar due to their short lifespans.
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Gbcue
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reply to Vamp
said by Vamp:

4300k is actually more on a yellow side if it's a true color temp rating... Try 5000k, that's about as white as you get before it starts getting a blue tint.

edit with better kelvin scale
4300K is right at the line that says White, according to the Kelvin scale you uploaded - "HID + Super White & White"...

I don't consider that yellow.
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Jahntassa
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reply to Gbcue
said by Gbcue:

said by south1178:

said by Gbcue:

I don't have HIDs, just halogens, and am looking for something in a whiter color temperature.
Get Sylvania Silverstars. They are a bright white on my car.
Did you read what I said?
said by Gbcue:

I don't really want the Sylvania SilverStar due to their short lifespans.
What short lifespans? I've had the same silverstars in my fogs and turn signals for four years.

My headlights I did have to replace once in that timespan, but I have a feeling there was some other issue that caused that, the recent bulbs are still going strong.


Gbcue
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said by Jahntassa:

What short lifespans? I've had the same silverstars in my fogs and turn signals for four years.

My headlights I did have to replace once in that timespan, but I have a feeling there was some other issue that caused that, the recent bulbs are still going strong.
Again, I'm talking about headlights, not turn signals or fog lights.

Sylvania Silverstar headlights burn out quickly (less than 1 year). It's widespread knowledge.
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Angralitux

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widespread what? the only bulbs I put on my old corolla was about 3+ years ago, they where silverstars. I had one that went bad but that was because some asshole hit the car on the headlight assembly, which allowed water and dirt to get in.

The bulb used to replace the bad silverstar is a GE, and there's a noticeable difference both in light pattern and color (sylvania is better in all aspects).
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Angralitux

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oh, and I forgot to say, mine where new old stock.
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Gbcue
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said by Angralitux:

widespread what?
The knowledge that they burn out quickly.

Honda-Tech Forums: "Silverstars suck. They burn out quick"
RedFlag Deals: "Silverstars burn out easy"
Amazon Review: "Great light - burns out very quickly!'
Amazon 2: "The two I purchased burned out within 4 months, and that gets very expensive quickly."
Amazon 3: "And the bulbs both burned out less than 12 months after installation (they failed within a day of each other)."
Amazon 4: "Both lamps burned out within a week of each other - 6 months after they were installed. "
Amazon 5: "These bulbs are whiter and slightly brighter than my originals, but four bulbs have burned out and I am on my third set in less than a year. I asked Sylvania customer support what is the expected lifetime and they told me the bulbs should last for at least one year of normal use. I consider this to be extremely short, but when the first bulb failed at 4 weeks, the second at 6 weeks, the third at 6 months and the 4th at 9 months. I wrote to Sylvania customer support with a copy of my sales receipt and they sent free replacements. I will try a different model when these burn out."
Amazon 6: "These burn out fast. Very fast."
RSX Forums: "It's only the silverstars that burn out too soon."
Fatwallet Forums: "I had both of mine burn out within 4 months. When my second one burned out, I got a ticket for $54 for maintenance of lamps."
Civic Forums: "However, after 8 months, one side has already burned out, and after 12 months the other side also burned out."
Mindful Musings: "These Sylvania SilverStar headlights burn out about once a year."
Nissan Forums: "Just wondering for I have read the Sylvania Silverstars available in Canada don't last long at all and burn out very quickly, ..."

Need I continue?
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way2evil
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reply to Gbcue
The lights you are thinking about getting will give you minimal light output compared to what you have. If all you are looking for is color, they will be fine but will draw the same or more power than your stocks so check what your fuse is rated for.

If you want an HID conversion, which is what I reccomend over just changing the bulbs, then look into DDMTuning's HID kit. I just bought one last week and it is running great so far. I got a 6k kit and it is too blue for me. Whatever you get, go for 4300k. That is what all the German car manufacturers use for their HIDs and will be pure white.


Gbcue
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said by way2evil:

The lights you are thinking about getting will give you minimal light output compared to what you have. If all you are looking for is color, they will be fine but will draw the same or more power than your stocks so check what your fuse is rated for.

If you want an HID conversion, which is what I reccomend over just changing the bulbs, then look into DDMTuning's HID kit. I just bought one last week and it is running great so far. I got a 6k kit and it is too blue for me. Whatever you get, go for 4300k. That is what all the German car manufacturers use for their HIDs and will be pure white.
If I was going to do an HID conversion, I would go all out and import the projector housings ($1300) from Europe (since they're standard over there) for my car (left hand drive and all).

I just want a white light from my current housing.
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way2evil
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What's the sense? All you are doing is changing the color. Are the lights on your car really that bad?

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reply to Jahntassa
said by Jahntassa:

What short lifespans? I've had the same silverstars in my fogs and turn signals for four years.

My headlights I did have to replace once in that timespan, but I have a feeling there was some other issue that caused that, the recent bulbs are still going strong.
Sylvania admits they don't last long.From sylvania website:
Q) How long do the headlights last?
A) The life of any halogen bulb varies based on vehicle type, vehicle voltage, amount of time the bulb is on, road conditions, proper installation, and correct application. The average life of SilverStar® headlights is approximately one year. With our SYLVANIA SilverStar® products, the primary goal is to offer the brightest, whitest light. Research has shown SilverStar® headlights improve driver visibility and reaction time. However, since our SilverStar® headlights are up to 35% brighter and our SilverStar® ULTRA headlights are up to 50% brighter than standard halogen, they may have a shorter life span compared to our other products. We offer a wide variety of products to satisfy customer needs including brightness, durability, color options and increased visibility. We recommend evaluating your annually as part of your regular vehicle maintenance.
That being said,I have had silverstars in my truck for 2 years.The fog lights burned out,both within a week of each other but the headlights are still going fine.Thay are supposed to be around 4000K and they are a nice white color.


Jahntassa
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reply to Gbcue
Okay, fair enough. Even the manufacturer reports they'll last around a year (Even though i've experienced longer)

I have to ask...

So WHAT?

It's what, $20 for a two-pack of headlamps? $20 a year?

Seriously now? Is it that horrible? For me, they are well worth it. Most of the rest of the 'colored' bulbs sacrifice brightness for color temp. Silverstars have a great temp and brightness without being obnoxious to other drivers.

matt5

join:2001-10-06
Lagrangeville, NY
reply to Gbcue
If ya really want to get technical, it's been said around that, o ya white light at night can actually hurt your night vision and the softer yellow could actually be better on the eyes. Don't have the link handy.

Googling for all of 10secs returns this for the nighthawk.

»www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthre···?t=54072
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Shadow01
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reply to Gbcue

Re: Headlight Color Temperature

I installed a pair of 9012s in the wife's car and the output is much higher, but it is not "whiter". If you just want to change the color to be more in the blue range, just get the cheap blue glass. If you are wanting to improve the light output and improve visibility, go with the 9012s.
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Anyone who has ever had to drive a substantial distance at night, in rural conditions and in city conditions, will agree that halogen light's yellowish output is hard on the eyes. I find it makes me drowsy. Since changing to daylight balanced HIDs, I no longer have eye strain at night, nor feel drowsy on long night trips.


Angralitux

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seems two guys here are well above the average. You said in your OP that "you dont want silverstars bc of shorter lifespan", however I must ask: Have you tried silverstars on your own car? I mean, you are just citing opinions all over the internet. Sylvania warns about checking your lights yearly anyway, even for standard halogen bulbs, which btw are just 2X silverstar's life.

If you are very concerned about bulb life, you may as well give a try to sylvania standard halogens or even the long life version (LL=last about 3X times the standard).

for comparision:
»assets.sylvania.com/assets/image···9567.jpg

Silverstar:
»www.sylvaniaautocatalog.com/sylv···%20%20ST

Sylvania Standard Halogen:
»www.sylvaniaautocatalog.com/sylv···mber=136
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Angralitux

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well, then you must be suffering some kind of eye disease, because what I was told is the opposite: at night, yellow light is better for your eyes.

A lot of european cars came with yellow headlights a few years ago (peugeot, renaults, volkswagen); I used to see a lot of them here, never heard people complaining about headlight being yellowish.
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Gbcue
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said by Angralitux:

well, then you must be suffering some kind of eye disease, because what I was told is the opposite: at night, yellow light is better for your eyes.

A lot of european cars came with yellow headlights a few years ago (peugeot, renaults, volkswagen); I used to see a lot of them here, never heard people complaining about headlight being yellowish.
Yellow is better in the fog.

The closer to daylight (about 5300K), the better for visibility and safety.
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reply to Gbcue
For all incandescent bulbs, there is a tradeoff between light output and lifespan.

The greater the light output per watt, the shorter the lifespan of the bulb.

The longer the promised lifespan, the lower the light output per watt.

Choose your poison.

Barring HIDs, I will choose light output at the expense of more frequent replacement. I also have a spare set of bulbs in the vehicle.
It isn't a conspiracy, and it isn't really that exciting. Sorry...
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xj31

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said by Cho Baka:

For all incandescent bulbs, there is a tradeoff between light output and lifespan.

The greater the light output per watt, the shorter the lifespan of the bulb.

The longer the promised lifespan, the lower the light output per watt.

Choose your poison.

Barring HIDs, I will choose light output at the expense of more frequent replacement. I also have a spare set of bulbs in the vehicle.
It isn't a conspiracy, and it isn't really that exciting. Sorry...
Perfectly stated.


damn
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reply to Gbcue
Silverstars do have short lifespan, I dealt with them myself.

Honestly for the money you'll spend just get a cheap HID kit. They're less than 30 bucks these days
»www.ddmtuning.com/index.php?p=pr···arent=85
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way2evil
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said by damn:

Silverstars do have short lifespan, I dealt with them myself.

Honestly for the money you'll spend just get a cheap HID kit. They're less than 30 bucks these days
»www.ddmtuning.com/index.php?p=pr···arent=85
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While I might not have perfect eyes due to advanced age, my wife is much younger and she too prefers the HID white lamps I installed in her Explorer.
She used to drive a Mitsubishi that had quad headlights. We both agree they were the best and they were halogen. The Fords we bought later on had single 9007 bulbs and were both very dim and very amber in color. After driving the Mitsu, the Ford was downright dangerous, especially in wet conditions. Switching to HID greatly improved visibility and made it possible for us to be safer at night.

matt5

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said by damn:

Silverstars do have short lifespan, I dealt with them myself.

Honestly for the money you'll spend just get a cheap HID kit. They're less than 30 bucks these days
»www.ddmtuning.com/index.php?p=pr···arent=85
Yep + new headlight housing to house them, or always just blind the people coming at you. + as said, they are junk.