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MS Security Essentials

would hopefully save internet tech support time too for real ISP problems and not CPE software problems. soon as a customer gets a virus they dont call the OEM or or goto the yellow pages for a computer repair shop.

they call their cable or dsl/fiber provider because well it came from the internet so clearly the ISP is at fault. and yes i have gotten that call many times, they think the virus came from the cable modem, and not their kid clicking yes to every popup from facebook ads.
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reply to Z80A
The issue with these things you would think would be good idea; would actually be very bad for microsoft.

With an antivirus added only. The performance baseline of windows would be worse off. The same thing can be said for practically anything else you might consider adding.

Windows guys there have gone to great lengths to implement a system that masks their poor performance. MS aero theme there which glides windows in and out slowly. Gives the application the added 2 seconds worth to catch up. Nicely this effect has a masking effect on other things which by nature are delayed. Like the internet. To get to your homepage. You need to make that dns query which can take half a second itself.

Furthermore. What do you think will be the effect of the antivirus market when they start bundling theirs with windows by default? I have a feeling a large degree of lost revenues for the mcafees and nortons. Who then use their established capital to start their netscape/mozilla style anti-trust lawsuit headed by the us gov or EU.

Hey a norton going completely open source would be awesome though truly

PS, UAC can be disabled.

reply to Z80A
The problem is that if they did that the security companies would sue Microsoft to pieces due to "antitrust issues" despite the fact that MS is just fixing what's broken with their product, at least in effect.

The big AV companies are scared stiff of MS's entry into the home security market since MS could easily edge out Norton and McAFee just by including their software as standard on new installs of Windows 7, OEM or not. Great for harried tech support reps, horrible for the AV industry. Despite the fact that AV providers have branched out into security suites anyway (they make more money and aren't offered for free by anyone really).

I still prefer AVG over MSSE, though this preference was only renewed after I tested out 9.0, which is to previous versions as Norton 2010 is to previous versions of that suite.

reply to munky99999
Security issues are far worse for Microsoft's reputation than any performance hit.

reply to Z80A
I agree with giving MSSE with every computer and giving advanced users the ability to remove it. What I don't agree with is disabling UAC.

I'm an advanced user, I know what I am doing. I know my computer inside and outside. I know the purpose of every single process that is running on my computer and the purpose of every single startup entry as well. But do I disable UAC? Nope. Because every single network Administrator and Linux user would tell you is to not run as ROOT and disabling UAC is doing just that.
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Tom
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You still have to be able to disable it as some software is not compatible (like my R6V2 on Steam...won't start with UAC enabled).

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reply to Z80A

Doesn't matter how much time they have had...it's Windows software, you can't expect it to just work like it is supposed to.

And yes, I've tried everything...UAC is the problem and turning it off is the fix.

reply to trparky
I don't agree with disabling UAC is the same as running a root or as an administrator.

Just because UAC provides an extra step to do something doesn't mean it's not a root or an administrator account. This is because it will still allow the action to be done. A non-root or non-administrative account will have restrictions on it based on security settings set by the administrator and can only be changed by the administrator. UAC will provide a choice regardless of account. A non-root or non-administrative account won't give the choice at all.
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The true patriot is motivated by a sense of responsibility, and out of self interest for himself, his family, and the future of his country to resist government abuse of power. He rejects the notion that patriotism means obedience to the state.

Yes, I know that having UAC enabled doesn't mean that you're not running as root, it just means that if you don't respond to the UAC prompt or you say no, the action will not take place. If the action doesn't take place then you're fine.

But if you have UAC disabled whatever action just ran roughshod over your computer and you were none the wiser.
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Tom
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