 DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | A shoot and a miss Google was so close to getting me to buy one
I'd have been willing to pay upto $350 for the phone (hay I keep my phones till they wear out)
but no ATT 3G = bad
$530 for a phone = no way
for $530 it had better have all the greatest stuff (3G on my cell carier's network, exchange active sync built in, real GPS, tethering, and more)
and missing even one of those I won't pay $530 for it (maybe $150 but that $150 would have to be unsubsidized
hay you can buy a whole computer for less than $530 (the Acer revo 1600 is only $200 and the 3600 is only $350) so how can they charge that much for just a phone |
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 jester121Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Why should something cost less just because it's smaller? |
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DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Are you saying that you think it costs more to make a phone than a whole computer? |
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jester121Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Why wouldn't it? Can you slide a netbook in your shirt pocket or carry it around running for 2 days without charging it? You're comparing apples and watermelons. |
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said by jester121:Why should something cost less just because it's smaller? Because....it`s smaller? It uses less components? It`s less complicated to make? Why do you think GPU manufacturers, console makers, hardware vendors, etc. all try to shrink their hardware as time goes on? |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to DarkLogix
said by DarkLogix:Are you saying that you think it costs more to make a phone than a whole computer? Are you saying that price is relevant to size? Often times, and in many cases, smaller "anything" is usually more expensive as more has to go into making them. While it's not always the case, it generally holds true when electronics tend to get smaller.
I think people are, quite frankly, spoiled when it comes to the subsidized phone scheme. People tend to look at the cheapest listed price as the "norm" and forget that there are things attached to these lower prices.. they're more than happy to get the cheaper price, but, down the road is out of sight, out of mind... how soon we forget.
So, in my opinion, yes, in some cases, it does cost more to make a phone than some of the "whole computers" you are referring to. |
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DarkLogixPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | no I didn't mean that to should just becaus eits smaller but that it does less than
Standard desktop $900
lets say a normal laptop about $850
a netbook $350
Small netbook based desktop $200
ya the trend sure seems to be holding
sure sometimes a luxury one might cost alot more (there are some $2000 netbooks) but those tend to be over priced and aimed at certaint people
for the most part they make it smaller to save them selfs money since it costs them less to make
for the price of that N1 you could get a Netbook with built in 3G and use skype with a bluetooth headset and then put the netbook in a backpack or carrying case
you could even load linux on it |
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 GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
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Santa Rosa, CA
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said by sonicmerlin:said by jester121:Why should something cost less just because it's smaller? Because....it`s smaller? It uses less components? It`s less complicated to make? Why do you think GPU manufacturers, console makers, hardware vendors, etc. all try to shrink their hardware as time goes on? Because in the future, everything takes up less space.
In the present, those things are as small as can be, but in a phone, they're even smaller, if that makes sense, so it costs more to get something smaller than a standard size.
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said by sonicmerlin:Because....it`s smaller? It uses less components? It`s less complicated to make? Why do you think GPU manufacturers, console makers, hardware vendors, etc. all try to shrink their hardware as time goes on? Um... so they can cram more and more transistors into a given space. How is cramming more smaller stuff into a smaller space "less complicated"?
Never mind....
This discussion has gotten silly, have a nice day. |
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| said by jester121:said by sonicmerlin:Because....it`s smaller? It uses less components? It`s less complicated to make? Why do you think GPU manufacturers, console makers, hardware vendors, etc. all try to shrink their hardware as time goes on? Um... so they can cram more and more transistors into a given space. How is cramming more smaller stuff into a smaller space "less complicated"? Never mind.... This discussion has gotten silly, have a nice day. They use a particular fabrication process that is standard across the board. Whether that`s 32 nm or 40 or whatever, it`s standard. The smaller the dye, the less it costs. They don`t make special transistors for these devices. No special technology is used, besides a proprietary chip. The smaller the device, the less material you have to use to make it. Thus the shrinking of the PS3, which helps reduce Sony`s costs.
The best analogy to a smartphone is a netbook. Tiny compared to standard laptops, slower, and cheaper. |
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 onebadmofoRepost These Nuts In Your Mouth.Premium
join:2002-03-30
Reading, PA
kudos:1 | reply to DarkLogix
said by DarkLogix:Google was so close to getting me to buy one I'd have been willing to pay upto $350 for the phone (hay I keep my phones till they wear out) but no ATT 3G = bad $530 for a phone = no way for $530 it had better have all the greatest stuff (3G on my cell carier's network, exchange active sync built in, real GPS, tethering, and more) and missing even one of those I won't pay $530 for it (maybe $150 but that $150 would have to be unsubsidized hay you can buy a whole computer for less than $530 (the Acer revo 1600 is only $200 and the 3600 is only $350) so how can they charge that much for just a phone An Acer?! I wouldn't take one if they were free. They're shit.
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You think because something is smaller it is less complicated to make? I'm not quite sure why you think that.
Miniaturization of components is not exactly easy.
Yes, once it is DONE, they mass produce the silicon and it's easy to replicate.
But actually getting to the point of it being smaller costs money, and time, and research.
And it isn't exactly big to begin with. Compare any smart phone today to a Palm Pilot or PDA from the late 90's that couldn't even make phone calls. They've come a long, and expensive way, through miniaturization. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to DarkLogix
I have to say something tho... I think your pricing estimates are way off.
A standard desktop is about $600 (you did say "standard)
A normal laptop is on average of about $450-600
A netbook, sure, average price is about $300-400
...and I"m really not sure what a small netbook based "desktop" is.. a netbook isn't a desktop. 
And honestly, I've never seen a netbook costing $2,000 ... got a link to one?
Also, we're here again with the way out of the norm set up to make phone calls. While you're right, someone can get a netbook, 3G coverage, skype, bluetooth, yada yada.. no one is going to do that as a cell phone, its simply no comparison. YES, it COULD be done, but when talking in comparison, its just not a valid one.
I'm not sure why you brought up Linux other than maybe reference, however, again, it's not a mainstream O/S, and if it's for cost comparison, in a netbook, XP isn't really a cost factor.. the makers pay generally about $5 to $10 for the O/S in bulk for the OEM license. |
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
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said by DarkLogix:no I didn't mean that to should just becaus eits smaller but that it does less than Standard desktop $900 lets say a normal laptop about $850 a netbook $350 Small netbook based desktop $200 ya the trend sure seems to be holding sure sometimes a luxury one might cost alot more (there are some $2000 netbooks) but those tend to be over priced and aimed at certaint people for the most part they make it smaller to save them selfs money since it costs them less to make for the price of that N1 you could get a Netbook with built in 3G and use skype with a bluetooth headset and then put the netbook in a backpack or carrying case you could even load linux on it And who's going to do that?
The N1 has turn-by-turn GPS, 3g, bluetooth, and it fits in your pocket. Do you seriously think that people want to lug around a backpack everywhere they go? If you do, how bout you set up a shop that only sells 3g netbooks with bluetooth, and see how many customers you get.
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