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Mount Airy, MD | So? I thought this is what everyone here wanted... an unsubsidized phone with no mandatory contract!
Why isn't everyone cheering?
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Every phone in existence is unsubsidized without a mandatory contract if you want, and you pay an astronomically high amount for all of them, including this one.
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said by pnh102:I thought this is what everyone here wanted... an unsubsidized phone with no mandatory contract! Why isn't everyone cheering? I am not sure if that is sarcasm, pnh102. The point of an unsubsidized phone is to be able to shop for your own plan and carrier. However, the phone only is able to tune the bands of T-Mobile 3G(a joke) and AT&T EDGE. T-Mobile doesn't even have 3G within hundreds of miles of me. At least AT&T has 3G close by. Anyways, this phone is still pretty much locked to a carrier, defeating the whole idea. If it were CDMA and/or it also tuned AT&T's oddball 3G band, things might be different. Still only 2 carriers though unless it tunes CDMA here in the states. However, this phone would be great overseas moved over a few MHz to their standard GSM range. That is one thing the world has that we don't: a unified standard for cell service, including bands used.
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Mount Airy, MD | said by Selenia:However, the phone only is able to tune the bands of T-Mobile 3G(a joke) and AT&T EDGE. T-Mobile doesn't even have 3G within hundreds of miles of me. At least AT&T has 3G close by .... If it were CDMA and/or it also tuned AT&T's oddball 3G band, things might be different. I agree entirely. I don't see why multiple radios which support all the 3G GSM bands as well as CDMA-based service could not have been included (similar to what Blackberrys have now). Then the phone might actually be worth the money.
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said by NeoandGeo:Every phone in existence is unsubsidized without a mandatory contract if you want, and you pay an astronomically high amount for all of them, including this one. There are a lot of people on this site who want to force everyone to buy phones at full price with no contract ("but that's how they do it in Europe" is usually the justification given as to why that is supposedly "better.")
I personally prefer getting a discount on the phone and taking the contract. Furthermore, getting a phone from your carrier also removes any potential compatibility issues that may exist with the phone and the service provider. While that might not be an issue for people like us, there are a lot of people who do not understand that a phone can only work on certain types of networks.
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kudos:12 | said by pnh102:There are a lot of people on this site who want to force everyone to buy phones at full price with no contract ("but that's how they do it in Europe" is usually the justification given as to why that is supposedly "better.") I don't think those same people are ready to admit that the phones cost a ton of money to make and were really thinking they were going to see a phone released at the "true" cost of a couple hundred bucks. They really think it costs $100-$200; after all, you know, that website that tore one apart and priced each component said so!
I think ETF fees are outrageous since the carriers make so much contractually per month for providing so little, but they really do eat several hundred dollars on the newest smartphones.
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said by pnh102:said by NeoandGeo:Every phone in existence is unsubsidized without a mandatory contract if you want, and you pay an astronomically high amount for all of them, including this one. There are a lot of people on this site who want to force everyone to buy phones at full price with no contract ("but that's how they do it in Europe" is usually the justification given as to why that is supposedly "better.") I personally prefer getting a discount on the phone and taking the contract. Furthermore, getting a phone from your carrier also removes any potential compatibility issues that may exist with the phone and the service provider. While that might not be an issue for people like us, there are a lot of people who do not understand that a phone can only work on certain types of networks. Uh, thanks for blatantly putting words into the mouth of everyone else.
What some more rational people actually want are for the monthly charges for cell phone service to be significantly lower when you bring your own phone, and for the `subsidy` (it`s a loan) to be clearly demarcated on any contract so that people are made aware that they`re paying much more in the long run by accepting a loan instead of buying the phone upfront. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by sonicmerlin:What some more rational people actually want are for the monthly charges for cell phone service to be significantly lower when you bring your own phone, and for the `subsidy` (it`s a loan) to be clearly demarcated on any contract so that people are made aware that they`re paying much more in the long run by accepting a loan instead of buying the phone upfront. I'd love for it to be warmer right now too but wishing won't make it happen either.
But each time you look at phone prices it is very easy to see what the contract and non contract price is for any given phone. How is this somehow hidden from the buying public?
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said by sonicmerlin:said by pnh102:said by NeoandGeo:Every phone in existence is unsubsidized without a mandatory contract if you want, and you pay an astronomically high amount for all of them, including this one. There are a lot of people on this site who want to force everyone to buy phones at full price with no contract ("but that's how they do it in Europe" is usually the justification given as to why that is supposedly "better.") I personally prefer getting a discount on the phone and taking the contract. Furthermore, getting a phone from your carrier also removes any potential compatibility issues that may exist with the phone and the service provider. While that might not be an issue for people like us, there are a lot of people who do not understand that a phone can only work on certain types of networks. Uh, thanks for blatantly putting words into the mouth of everyone else. What some more rational people actually want are for the monthly charges for cell phone service to be significantly lower when you bring your own phone, and for the `subsidy` (it`s a loan) to be clearly demarcated on any contract so that people are made aware that they`re paying much more in the long run by accepting a loan instead of buying the phone upfront. Agreed 100% |
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said by sonicmerlin:What some more rational people actually want are for the monthly charges for cell phone service to be significantly lower when you bring your own phone, and for the `subsidy` (it`s a loan) to be clearly demarcated on any contract so that people are made aware that they`re paying much more in the long run by accepting a loan instead of buying the phone upfront. Why should service be any cheaper because you bring your own phone?
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No BlackBerry in existence currently supports all NAM 3G frequencies. This is where you are wrong and your blame is misplaced.
How many AT&T smartphones support T-Mo's AWS 3G frequencies? None.
How many Verizon BlackBerrys support more than just the Euro 2100 UMTS band?
Most of these phones sold by AT&T or Verizon will still set you back from $499.99 to $699.99 at full MSRP and they will still be locked to their networks by default. On top of that, neither carrier will give you a break on your rate plan by paying full price for the hardware.
I can buy this phone at $500 and go contract free with T-Mobile and get a break on my rate plan.
I blame the bloggers and irresponsible online news media for creating their own fantasy scenarios which led to the hype. Now all the AT&T and Verizon lobbyists posing as obese phone geeks are all up in arms and shouting their discontent and anger towards Google and T-Mobile.
Interestingly neither Google or T-Mobile have confirmed that those docs dated in November are either relevant or final. |
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To make up for the lack of having to subsidize the phone.
Also phones should cost less than they do. "Valuing" the original Samsung Omnia at $460 without a contract is ridiculous. There is no way the phone costs more than $100-150 to manufacture. |
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kudos:12 | said by NeoandGeo:To make up for the lack of having to subsidize the phone. Also phones should cost less than they do. "Valuing" the original Samsung Omnia at $460 without a contract is ridiculous. There is no way the phone costs more than $100-150 to manufacture. They lock you into a contract to make up for the subsidy. And yes, the phone doesn't cost quite a bit more than $100 to $150 to manufacture. It is nothing, nothing, like commodity PC hardware.
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Modular radios would be nice. Something user-replaceable should you decide to move between carriers. |
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