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South Bend, IN | maybe off topic but Can someone explain to me how 'unlimited' became '5g cap'?
I'm sure a lot of you know the legal side of it and I'm curious how everything that has to do with data whether it be phone or pc is advertised as 'unlimited' yet it really isn't.
Why aren't carriers etc forced to advertise what it really is? 5g limit?
You can basically lie in an advertisement as long as the small fine print shows the truth?
Its like there multiple definitions of unlimited
theres the fake unlimited which is really capped at 5gig
then theres slightly unlimited which is capped somewhere over 5gig
now this company seems to want to introduce really unlimited | |
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| Re: maybe off topic but said by gball:Why aren't carriers etc forced to advertise what it really is? 5g limit? If a majority of customers never reach a limit, it really is unlimited to them. It's just advertising to the average customer. Nobody (except a few activists or heavy users) really expects "unlimited."
When these discussions occur a literalist eventually says "oh, that's too much" when given an example of someone running max speed 24x7. It just goes to prove that even literalists have a sense of what's average within the realm of "unlimited." They just believe "average" should be higher. Not really unlimited.
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| | | | Re: maybe off topic but said by amigo_boy:said by gball:Why aren't carriers etc forced to advertise what it really is? 5g limit? If a majority of customers never reach a limit, it really is unlimited to them. It's just advertising to the average customer. Nobody (except a few activists or heavy users) really expects "unlimited." When these discussions occur a literalist eventually says "oh, that's too much" when given an example of someone running max speed 24x7. It just goes to prove that even literalists have a sense of what's average within the realm of "unlimited." They just believe "average" should be higher. Not really unlimited. Mark How does that even begin to answer his question, which concerns false advertising? Who cares what you personally believe people `expect`? It`s false advertising, which is illegal. You can`t put the details in fine-print and expect everyone to spend hours scouring your stupid legalese TOS. That`s why our government is supposed to protect us from such stupid behavior. | |
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2 edits | Re: maybe off topic but The government is bought by lobbyists acting on behalf of corporations for the benefit of corporations. Laws are meaningless to them, they apply laws only to ordinary citizens.
The confluence of government power and corporate power is fascism. Quite simple and obvious around if you look at enforcement and double speak.
Try when you pay a corporation for a bill to say that your $50 dollar payment is really "unlimited" and see if it works for an average citizen. | |
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| said by sonicmerlin:How does that even begin to answer his question, which concerns false advertising? How is it false advertising if the advertising speaks to 95% of the customer base who never reach a limit, and therefore experience "unlimited" service?
It's a matter of perspective. You'll say "unlimited" has a definite meaning. But, that takes us back to how nobody except a few activists and heavy users really expect "unlimited" in the literal sense.
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1 edit | Re: maybe off topic but Orwellian double speak will not help here. Unlimited is unlimited. Once there is a limit, it is no longer unlimited. PERIOD.
The fact that 95% will not hit that limit does not mean the limit does not exist. It is the same strategy that Comcast played with the 250 GB "non existent" monthly data cap.
95 % of population will not be robbed or murdered, either. Does it mean that we should not have laws against robbery or murder or that those crimes do not exist ?
I can see the smoke and mirrors in their advertising. You can be "connected 24x7". Well, can you actually USE it ? Can you download 24x7 ? This is similar to the Earthlink service piggybacking on Comcast's infrastructure, both advertising as "unlimited", kicking people off for "abuse" and than saying that "unlimited' meant unlimited being connected as opposed to dial up, but not unlimited usage.
All beating on good old DSL. I have used DSL for over 10 years now. Never had ONE problem, never did the company bother me with threatening calls for high usage or annoyances like that. You get what you pay for, the good old American way that seems very often forgotten these days. | |
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| Re: maybe off topic but said by WernerSchutz:The fact that 95% will not hit that limit does not mean the limit does not exist. It just means 95% won't complain, which makes the 5% irrelevant.
So, for the 95% there is effectively no limit. For the provider there are no complaints from anyone who's relevant. For the irrelevant 5%, they'll shake their dictionaries at everyone else, claiming everyone else must live by their literal interpretation of a word.
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2 edits | Re: maybe off topic but said by amigo_boy:said by WernerSchutz:The fact that 95% will not hit that limit does not mean the limit does not exist. It just means 95% won't complain, which makes the 5% irrelevant. So, for the 95% there is effectively no limit. For the provider there are no complaints from anyone who's relevant. For the irrelevant 5%, they'll shake their dictionaries at everyone else, claiming everyone else must live by their literal interpretation of a word. Mark If 5% is irrelevant, if they do not pay their bill, then the service should not be interrupted, either.
Or it is irrelevant only if it plays for the benefit of the CORPORATION ?
"effectively" no limit and NO LIMIT are not the same thing. Maybe they should advertise "effectively no limit", but telling the truth seems difficult for some people.
I am actually interested in this company's service. I will send a letter to their management AND to the legal department asking exactly if the "unlimited" stuff means unlimited usage,without throttling, "fap"ping and all that garbage. Without a clear answer in writing I will not invest $100 just to find out. | |
| | | | | | | | said by amigo_boy:said by WernerSchutz:The fact that 95% will not hit that limit does not mean the limit does not exist. It just means 95% won't complain, which makes the 5% irrelevant. So, for the 95% there is effectively no limit. For the provider there are no complaints from anyone who's relevant. For the irrelevant 5%, they'll shake their dictionaries at everyone else, claiming everyone else must live by their literal interpretation of a word. Mark I can`t believe you`re defending a corporation`s right to rip off people based on the `irrelevance` of an arbitrary number you made up. | |
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