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kudos:1 | It's just that easy, right? quote:
and compete with piracy by offering huge catalogs of content cheaply, quickly, and with limited hassle.
Yeah. Right.
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kudos:4 | said by thender: quote:
and compete with piracy by offering huge catalogs of content cheaply, quickly, and with limited hassle.
Yeah. Right. People throw out this idea all the time. And it is so bogus it should be laughed off the table. Cheap is still more expensive than free. And the people who steal music and movies can't be encouraged to pay for it no matter how cheap it is. So all the whining about the RIAA & MPAA adopting new business plans is just so much hot air.
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and compete with piracy by offering huge catalogs of content cheaply, quickly, and with limited hassle.
Yeah. Right. People throw out this idea all the time. And it is so bogus it should be laughed off the table. Cheap is still more expensive than free. And the people who steal music and movies can't be encouraged to pay for it no matter how cheap it is. So all the whining about the RIAA & MPAA adopting new business plans is just so much hot air. You seem to feel like you speak for a lot of people. Maybe you should stick to speaking for yourself.
I am a reformed copyright infringer, and can speak with some authority on why I stopped.
Safer and cheaper alternatives. Period.
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The future path is obvious.
Some people think suing your customers or booting them from the Internet (so they can never be customers again) makes more sense than trying to convert pirates to legal alternatives. They continue to be wrong. |
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New Orleans, LA | said by Karl Bode:Also take a look at what Steam is doing for PC Gaming. Take a look at what Netflix can do for movies over broadband. The future path is obvious. Some people think suing your customers or booting them from the Internet (so they can never be customers again) makes more sense than trying to convert pirates to legal alternatives. They continue to be wrong. Amazing how late they will be to the party, i.e. future world of media downloading |
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CorydonCultivant son jardinPremium
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Tell that to Apple and Amazon.
I'm more than tech-savvy enough to find stuff I want to download for free online.
I choose to buy my music online. Why? The providers have made it easy. And I prefer to pay for the value I derive from having it.
The moment that Apple removed DRM from iTunes was the moment I became a customer.
And I'll do the same for buying movies online too. Kill the DRM and let me use my purchase as I see fit (preferably with a decent online customer interface) and you'll have me as a customer for life.
said by Romney2012:Cheap is still more expensive than free. Yes, but the pirates have always been with us and always will be. Heck, I used to pirate Commodore 64 games back when we were cracking and copying 5 1/4" floppy disks (I'll note that I no longer engage in this sort of thing and made a point of buying my favorite games—the Ultima Collection—when it became available back in the '90s)
Piracy is the sort of thing that most people grow out of. It's a combination of immature self-centeredness, lack of empathy and lack of funds. And even if you retain the self-centeredness as you grow older, most of us begin to earn enough to drop $0.99 on the tracks we want to get (a small price to pay to avoid the headaches and hassles that go hand-in-hand with piracy).
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said by Karl Bode:Also take a look at what Steam is doing for PC Gaming. Take a look at what Netflix can do for movies over broadband. The future path is obvious. Some people think suing your customers or booting them from the Internet (so they can never be customers again) makes more sense than trying to convert pirates to legal alternatives. They continue to be wrong. ]
But Hollywood doesn't like Netflix anymore
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My anecdotal experiences say otherwise. I know more than a few formerly compulsive software/media pirates (they usually had at least 20 active or queued torrents at all times) who now buy a lot of digital downloads because it's easier and at a price point they consider reasonable. |
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said by Romney2012:said by thender: quote:
and compete with piracy by offering huge catalogs of content cheaply, quickly, and with limited hassle.
Yeah. Right. People throw out this idea all the time. And it is so bogus it should be laughed off the table. Cheap is still more expensive than free. And the people who steal music and movies can't be encouraged to pay for it no matter how cheap it is. So all the whining about the RIAA & MPAA adopting new business plans is just so much hot air. I'm a netflix subscriber primarily due to the ability to stream movies online. I occasionally rent movies from other sources.
I've been known to download movies in the past, and may end up doing so in the future.
I disprove your statement.
If digital media rental were to go down a tad bit more (currently at $2.99 at most places), I would go ahead and rent online as well. |
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said by Romney2012:said by thender: quote:
and compete with piracy by offering huge catalogs of content cheaply, quickly, and with limited hassle.
Yeah. Right. People throw out this idea all the time. And it is so bogus it should be laughed off the table. Cheap is still more expensive than free. And the people who steal music and movies can't be encouraged to pay for it no matter how cheap it is. So all the whining about the RIAA & MPAA adopting new business plans is just so much hot air. Sorry. But this is just not true.
I see people around me pick a product they pay for over free all the time. |
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said by Karl Bode:Also take a look at what Steam is doing for PC Gaming. Take a look at what Netflix can do for movies over broadband. The future path is obvious. Some people think suing your customers or booting them from the Internet (so they can never be customers again) makes more sense than trying to convert pirates to legal alternatives. They continue to be wrong. Ding ding ding, and we have a winner! 
I honestly didn't expect Steam to take off, but it was appaerent that it was successful once other game developers started to jump on the boat.
Some DSLR may be saying "so what? iTunes sells music for cheap!", you are missing the guiding principle behind Steam. Steam isn't about downloading 5GB of data and let you worry about data integrity, but that you can download any game any number of times without fee.
Buy a new computer? Just download the game again.
On a friends computer? Just download the game again.
With iTunes, you download it, and if your hard drive crashes, oh well (I think you get what...5 free downloads then you have to PAY FOR THE SONG AGAIN). I don't think steam would be as successful today if they used the iTunes philosophy. Especially after the fifth new computer and you couldn't play a game that you supposedly purchased.
I think I could be ok with a monthly fee access to a set of movies similar to netflix style. But I have a problem purchasing something that is apparent that I don't own. |
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said by Karl Bode:Also take a look at what Steam is doing for PC Gaming. Take a look at what Netflix can do for movies over broadband. The future path is obvious. Some people think suing your customers or booting them from the Internet (so they can never be customers again) makes more sense than trying to convert pirates to legal alternatives. They continue to be wrong. Steam is probably the most excellent example of how to provide content to the end-user. I've been a user since '04 when Unreal Tournament was popular. I bought it once and always have it. I've gone through at least 6 computers since then and have never had to re-purchase it like I have with a bunch of itunes stuff, just install it again.
Also, as a Netflix user, I can't wait until they convince the bigwig movie execs that they are the future of movie viewing. Then I will finally be able to watch a high quality copy of Avatar in the comfort of my easy chair and not have to deal with the swarm of locusts eating and crinkling and coughing and giggling and talking on the cell phone while I wanna WATCH THE GODDAMN MOVIE!! |
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said by Romney2012:People throw out this idea all the time. And it is so bogus it should be laughed off the table. Cheap is still more expensive than free. And the people who steal music and movies can't be encouraged to pay for it no matter how cheap it is. So all the whining about the RIAA & MPAA adopting new business plans is just so much hot air. I know you're not actually clueless. It's just you sometimes pretend to be. Who pays you?
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said by Romney2012:said by thender: quote:
and compete with piracy by offering huge catalogs of content cheaply, quickly, and with limited hassle.
Yeah. Right. People throw out this idea all the time. And it is so bogus it should be laughed off the table. Cheap is still more expensive than free. And the people who steal music and movies can't be encouraged to pay for it no matter how cheap it is. So all the whining about the RIAA & MPAA adopting new business plans is just so much hot air. And the HUGE mistake the RIAA and MPAA do is making the assumption that EVERY downloader is someone that won't be buying. Fact is, MANY downloaders DO BUY and many downloaders WOULDN'T BUY ANYWAY. Of course, if they quoted 'real' numbers, the fact that piracy isn't NEARLY as much of a problem as they want you to believe would become obvious-and they would be shown up for the liars they are! |
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I'm not saying I agree or disagree with piracy.
However, the idea that it is simple to come up with a new model whereby people can actually make money off music again and make careers out of it so they can do it as a profession and be GOOD at it, is not as easy as it is implied to be in this news report.
We used to be in a society where the most upper class chose with their money what we listened to. Notice how in the late 1800s most music you could see in concert was of very similar style. Labels like motown, and others before them, made it so people chose with their dollars who they liked. Who the fans liked shaped the direction the label would go in.
In a society where music isn't as valued because people don't pay for it, someone else must pay for it. This puts control of what gets played, promoted, etc, in the hands of people with money, and this is never a good thing IMO.
If many groups couldn't make a living out of music, they'd need other jobs. Yes, it's possible to be successful that way, but unless there's a living to be made in it, they can't put a living's worth of effort into it. I am not a musician but I did have the honor of being the person who repaired gear at high end facilities. I see what people go through to get where they are. If you want to be a master of your craft(especially good music), you have to put your life into it.
I love usenet, and I love the conveniences it affords me. It's not even about money, it's about centralized, convenient sources to grab quality media in a portable format. However, I do fear for the future if it is easily made available for free. The last decade is seeing the damage this does.
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said by Romney2012:People throw out this idea all the time. And it is so bogus it should be laughed off the table. Cheap is still more expensive than free. And the people who steal music and movies can't be encouraged to pay for it no matter how cheap it is. So all the whining about the RIAA & MPAA adopting new business plans is just so much hot air. I used to download movies and music all the time. It got to where it was just easier to buy it off Rhapsody than bother with looking for it on P2P networks. Now that DRM is gone and I can download plain ol' MP3's, I don't mind paying. However I have 0 use for anything with DRM, and won't buy it specifically for that reason.
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said by Corydon:Tell that to Apple and Amazon. I'm more than tech-savvy enough to find stuff I want to download for free online. I choose to buy my music online. Why? The providers have made it easy. And I prefer to pay for the value I derive from having it. The moment that Apple removed DRM from iTunes was the moment I became a customer. And I'll do the same for buying movies online too. Kill the DRM and let me use my purchase as I see fit (preferably with a decent online customer interface) and you'll have me as a customer for life. said by Romney2012:Cheap is still more expensive than free. Yes, but the pirates have always been with us and always will be. Heck, I used to pirate Commodore 64 games back when we were cracking and copying 5 1/4" floppy disks (I'll note that I no longer engage in this sort of thing and made a point of buying my favorite games—the Ultima Collection—when it became available back in the '90s) Piracy is the sort of thing that most people grow out of. It's a combination of immature self-centeredness, lack of empathy and lack of funds. And even if you retain the self-centeredness as you grow older, most of us begin to earn enough to drop $0.99 on the tracks we want to get (a small price to pay to avoid the headaches and hassles that go hand-in-hand with piracy). i assume you deleted/destroyed all your illegitimate data once you saw the light???  |
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I'm sorry but I don't agree with this.
I honestly can't remember the last time I have bought a DVD or CD..
The movie Hangout came out about a week ago. This movie is so good I would like to purchase it but I would prefer to just buy and download it online and then burn my own dvd.
Where can I go (without it being a pain in the ass) to purchase it at a decent price and download it at resonable speed so I can burn it to my blank DVD or stream it to my xbox? |
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kudos:4 | Don't you mean the movie named "The Hangover" that came to DVD in mid-December?
You can download and buy right now at Amazon.com:
The rated version: »www.amazon.com/The-Hangover/dp/B···2&sr=1-4
The unrated version: »www.amazon.com/The-Hangover-Unra···2&sr=1-3
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I don't waste my money purchasing DVD's
My local public library is large enough that they purchase all the latest titles for me to watch.
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What they don't have I can redbox overnight for $1.00
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MPA can go whine someplace else.
I have found my alt. sources and it doesn't involve paying a
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