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Just one thing

Piracy isn't the same as shoplifting. Don't open that can of worms.

I didn't miss your point. You are saying piracy is the same as theft. It is not.

reply to BF69
Copyright infringement isn't theft. It's copyright infringement. If someone steals a car, you deny the deal the ability to sell that car to someone else. When someone infringes on copyright, the copyright holder is not denied their ability to sell the property to someone else. And just because someone pirates a copyrighted work does not mean that person would have purchased it if piracy is not possible. There is only lost revenue if the person would have otherwise purchased the work.

I agree the acts are not the same but the bottom lines of theft or copyright infingement are essentially the same. Whether you call it theft or copyright infingement, there has been an acquisition of property, either physical or intellectual, without payment to the rightful owner.

reply to NeoandGeo

Noone is saying it is right, you're pointlessly bitching, and I was simply pointing out the stupidity in your analogies.

Go have your period somewhere else and stop worrying about things that do not concern you.

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reply to NeoandGeo

They were analogies comparing two different things. To properly use an analogy you you have to make sense. Maybe try a little harder next time?

Continue crying.

reply to BF69
I'm not implying, but I will say something completely off the wall so maybe someone will react to my moronic statements.

I can be just like you. Fun, fun.

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reply to BF69
No, you are saying that rape is the same is murder. It's not.

Speeding is wrong. Tax evasion is wrong. Parking in a handicapped spot in wrong. Cutting in line is wrong. Stealing code from a website is wrong. Extorting thousands of dollars from people is wrong. Abusing process is wrong. Contributing millions to Congress to get favoritism in law making is wrong. Lots of things are "wrong", doesn't make them the same or equal.

reply to lesopp
No they are not the same. A pirate who downloads a copy of something did not deprive the copyright holder the right to sell that same product to some else.

And even then ONLY if the pirate would have otherwise bought a copy of what he/she downloaded was there lost revenue.

Theft and copyright infringement aren't even remotely the same.

reply to BF69
So instead of making an analogy that actually works, you decide to ignore reason. Sounds about right.

reply to BF69
"They may be TECHNICLLY different but they are equally wrong in my book."

But they're not equally wrong in the law's book; that's why "infringement" and "theft" carry two completely different legal meanings and punishments.

And I can prove this using your own analogy: if Jammie Whatzhername had stolen twenty-four songs from Walmart (roughly the number of tracks on two CDs), as a first time offender, she almost certainly would have been able to get the charges dismissed with a warning.

But instead of stealing the CDs she downloaded them and was charged with infringement (NOT theft). For THAT first time offense she was fined 1.9 million dollars.

So YOU may think "theft" and "infringement" are the same thing and/or equally wrong but every single law and court in the United States on the state and federal level disagrees with you (including congress).

reply to BF69
Umm, if it's exactly the same, then, by your own definition, the penalty should be exactly the same. If I shoplift a $19.99 DVD, two things happen..

#1: It's a CIVIL penalty, no a criminal penalty
#2: The FINE is the price of the DVD.

Please explain how a fat cat coke snorting megacorp exec is allowed to buy a politician off to make as you quote 'exactly the same crime' a prison sentence?
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Remember 1 in 4 people are retarded. 25% of Americans are Republican. Coincidence? I don't think so.

reply to Z80A
I said the acts are not the same. Forget what I said about the bottom line.

Now, perhaps you could enlighten us as to the difference between an owner not being compensated for an audio CD that is acquired by theft and an owner not being compensated for songs that are acquired by electronic means.

The copyright infringement you so vehemently defend against mischaracterization is an act whereby party “A” unlawfully transfers copyrighted material to party “B” at the expense of the legal owner. So call it “Change we can believe in” or whatever you want, the immutable fact is that the legal owner gets screwed.