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gatorkram KaBOOM Baby Premium join:2002-07-22 Winterville, NC kudos:2 Reviews: ·Suddenlink	Blah Blah Blah I had made a rather large message, in reply to this mess, but after looking it over several times, I decided it was pointless to post it. Art, like information, begs to be free. -- Give me bandwidth or give me death! »/testhistory/661871/4f240
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WernerSchutz join:2009-08-04 Sugar Land, TX	You should post it ! Informed posts are useful in combating the talking points shills are paid to post everywhere to mold the public opinion.
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Doctor Four My other vehicle is a TARDIS Premium join:2000-09-05 Dallas, TX	said by WernerSchutz: You should post it ! Informed posts are useful in combating the talking points shills are paid to post everywhere to mold the public opinion. He probably considers posting such a waste of electrons. It usually is when countering the arguments of industry/corporate shills. They completely ignore any and all opposing viewpoints, no matter what they are. I am not referring to any specific person, and this applies to any site, not just here. -- "The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
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jester121 Premium join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL Reviews: ·voip.ms	reply to gatorkram said by gatorkram: Art, like information, begs to be free. That would be true, except that artists need to pay rent and buy food.
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Corydon Cultivant son jardin Premium join:2008-02-18 Denver, CO	reply to gatorkram said by gatorkram: Art, like information, begs to be free. That's as may be, but I still think that good artists deserve something for their trouble. And I think that it's reasonable that artists have some degree of control over their creations. But I'm with you if you advocate for the death of the **AAs and the music labels and other assorted middlemen. The good news is that I think their death is inevitable with the current business model that's developing online. -- "Religion allows people who would otherwise be arguing about whether the Death Star could beat a Borg Cube to have a place of respect within society."
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gatorkram KaBOOM Baby Premium join:2002-07-22 Winterville, NC kudos:2 Reviews: ·Suddenlink	reply to jester121 said by jester121: said by gatorkram: Art, like information, begs to be free. That would be true, except that artists need to pay rent and buy food. It's funny, how much they are willing to give it all away, before they "make it". DISCLAIMER: I do not speak for any artists, I only express my opinion. -- Give me bandwidth or give me death! »/testhistory/661871/4f240
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rradina join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO	reply to jester121 Is that true in a communist society?
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jester121 Premium join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL Reviews: ·voip.ms	reply to gatorkram said by gatorkram: It's funny, how much they are willing to give it all away, before they "make it". It's just delayed gratification, a perfectly rational approach.
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rradina join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO	reply to gatorkram said by gatorkram: It's funny, how much they are willing to give it all away, before they "make it". DISCLAIMER: I do not speak for any artists, I only express my opinion. How true. One of my coworkers said his sister was very wealth-transfer minded until she worked her way up the sales ladder and made serious income. Suddenly she complained about the taxes she paid and did a 180.
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gatorkram KaBOOM Baby Premium join:2002-07-22 Winterville, NC kudos:2 Reviews: ·Suddenlink	reply to jester121 I really should be more clear in the things I say. I gladly pay for good art. But it does beg to be free. I'd rather pay the artist directly, though. A lot of good information, is still free. Copyright is really a thorn in the side of all human existence. Maybe the abuse of copyright is. -- Give me bandwidth or give me death! »/testhistory/661871/4f240
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jester121 Premium join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL Reviews: ·voip.ms	reply to rradina said by rradina: Is that true in a communist society? What am I, a sociologist?
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BF69 Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN	reply to gatorkram said by gatorkram: I had made a rather large message, in reply to this mess, but after looking it over several times, I decided it was pointless to post it. Art, like information, begs to be free. yeah you know if I invest $100 mil to make a movie the LAST thing I'm worried about is making that money back and god forbid a bit of profit. I'm just happy to provide free entertianment to the masses at my expense. After all I've got money to burn. I swear he whole welfare "I want everything for free" attitude of this society just boggles my mind. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH. THERE IS ALWAYS A COST SOMEWHERE. I'm not which part of that people don't get.
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jester121 Premium join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL Reviews: ·voip.ms	reply to gatorkram said by gatorkram: Copyright is really a thorn in the side of all human existence. Maybe the abuse of copyright is. Think about how much less literature we'd have if there wasn't a profit motive (or at lease a revenue-protection motive) that allowed authors to at least make enough money to survive early in their literary careers.
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rradina join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO	reply to gatorkram I think silly patents are the real thorn.
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rradina join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO	reply to BF69 I agree. However, current corporate and market dynamics have become breeding grounds for public discontent. Folks are disgusted by corporations that are "too big to fail" and just a few months later reward key staff with billions in bonuses for doing what, running the company into the ground? The real crime is the public paid for this nonsense at least three times: 1) Lost 401k value 2) TARP funds 3) Bonuses siphoned from the partial recovery of #1 Does this make illegal copying right or even justify it? Of course not but I do believe it explains why folks do it. Many probably feel like they are taking back what was taken from them. Yes, that's vigilante but isn't that at the root of revolutions? If what I'm saying is true, it seems logical that these feelings could be alleviated with something other than the RIAA and MPAA's seemingly endless iron-fist approach. Are they on the side of being "right" with this approach. Absolutely. But you can be right all day long and never get what you want.
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sonicmerlin join:2009-05-24 Cleveland, OH kudos:1	reply to rradina said by rradina: said by gatorkram: It's funny, how much they are willing to give it all away, before they "make it". DISCLAIMER: I do not speak for any artists, I only express my opinion. How true. One of my coworkers said his sister was very wealth-transfer minded until she worked her way up the sales ladder and made serious income. Suddenly she complained about the taxes she paid and did a 180. That has a lot to do with the self-serving culture of America. People only seem to care about themselves nowadays.
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