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chronoss2009
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information required about wireless transmitters

ok need the community here to show me and others what thngs cost and links and alternatives.

even parts to build one via kit etc which is always good cause you learn more that way how stuff works.

ideas also welcome. (don't flame i aint listening ok, go waste time elsewhere with the chicken govt)

perhaps it might even be a service a company could do as a start up.

things needed to know:
need as much on specs like distance max
power requirements
cost to purchase

cabling thats usually used , in sense its time to learn all i can about how these towers work how they operate and cost.

OH and thanks to that father( and you aren't gonna have a better dad then me ) of mine i know a ton of farmers around Ontario all over the place as well as other decent folk, who may or may not be interested in making a buck to have a tower placed in some field
think relays.


P Principle

@cgocable.net

Nexicom has Peterborough county covered pretty well chronoss unless you plan something in town.
Better hire a lobbyist first to get some of that government money Xplornet is wasting.
The technology is the easy part. Capital is where it's at boy. Your plan?
Will you be the wisp prez?


chronoss2009
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reply to chronoss2009
call this crazy idea or not

but i know loads a people all over ontario as does my father

lots of net savvy people too

why not web each lil city and town then just link them up
i know wha yea mean and to do it i'd have to draw up a business plan and all that jazz , but the idea isnt jsut for peterborugh

and just cause nexicom cogeco , bell ( tthus TSI ) and rogers are here ) doesn't mean its not viable
if 1000 peeps paid into it for a few dollars a month im sure theres profit there

as i have read almost everywhere none of this is that expensive once you have the hard ware up and running.

and as this post says as they raise prices things like this become more and more viable.

people will realize the value when there main account is capped and throttled to death and then they say to there buddies

hey if you get that ill get this and trade, then onto levied media it goes. if i can do it without a govt handout its better like say get a local meeting of buds and see what ideas can come up.

I dont have to be the prez lol its the fact that the idea gets rolling and you watch in every city you start this they will drop the prices, and we can then do it anyhow to keep them honest.

like that BC ISP , what are the big boys doing and the only reason they are doing it is why?
competition.

id rather see del maestro think of the future and do this for his city then brng some gay idiot 3d imax theatre that all that does is put bucks into the rich developers and later after the fad wears off it will have been the biggest waste a cash in the city

and yea know if the cons want to steal my idea go ahead i just dont see it happening due to there hollywood affiliations and go watch the 3rd doctor who to watch a manning play the doctors traveling companion.

anyways
you get enough up to cover a city then in between you pay a famrer a rental fee on long term contract for a relay ( do this doubly for redundancy )
it wont be much but it will be added income for the guy.

and once you have a huge swath, and a relatively healthy income and revenue you can look more into a back end for this massive local lan.
it can't be that expensive to get a few transmitters going hell do it like users own it a coop
where in order to access you buy a share in the company and then pay low monthly, tons a more user friendly ways to build out

things providable
off the hop....gaming
your own ftps
your own websites that can been seen locally
and this tailors more to a local economy and would facilitate a green approach to a local economy.
add your own ideas ....
local news and weather etc ya know all th normal stuff just inside a loop in a way.

and i dont have to do it all but i travel a bit and could ask about i know many are interested and each of these can give to local charities and help with local events WITHOUT the need of big industry style bribery.

and here is a thought also about the entities setup. No one person can own more then 1% of said companies and you must reside in the area and not be another company. REASON think if someone came along and offered rocky one billion and he sold and then they shut it down.

setting up to survive and prosper is the goal and so that people can get back to enjoying an online experience rather then feeling raped every time they turn a computer on.

and id say that Xplornet is a bad investment due to potential liability risks of the usr class action lawsuits that are ongoing



P Principle

@cgocable.net

said by chronoss2009:

call this crazy idea or not
Since you asked. Yes.
You and your father's social circle of net savvy people is inconsequential.
As for a business plan your inability to clearly articulate with proper spelling and grammar will have to come first.
Where are you going to get the capital for the hardware, easements and the initial lines of credit for operations?
You travelling, charities and a "local meeting of buds" won't cut it chronoss.
I don't know who this del maestro is but "some gay idiot 3d imax theatre" is an entertainment venue irrelevant to your venture.
This guy is implementing your vision in real time. Contact him.
»skynetcanada.com/index.php?optio···emid=100


pstewart
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reply to chronoss2009
What is it that you are looking for info on? It looks like sources of capital and how to write a business plan - no offense.
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a1_Andy
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Click for full size
[Just for fun]
Here you go Chronoss 802.11 b/g up to 25km line of site circular polarized, goes through trees and houses. Point it out your apartment window and beat the cap , (don't turn it on indoors or point it at people). Caution may cause headache's.
Edit; I dub thee the 'RAY GUN'
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MeetComp

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reply to pstewart
Now if chronoss could get a dozen or so businesses in the area who have their own building high enough, and can hit the road to sell to other businesses, then maybe skynet would be interested and pay him for his expenses and labour.

Would give a nexicom a run for their money (no offense). But then again Skynet is not low-cost. Its fast but also expensive.

As for quality, no clue. Not many reviews. But no complaints is a good sign.



Fequencey

@mc.videotron.ca

reply to chronoss2009
Actually there used to be an Australian EX-ISP owner and AU-gov economist on p2pnet writing articles.

In one of his articles he explained how to defeat the CRTC and Bell Canada (Similar to skynet and the radio they use) using certain frequencies to set up your own city wide ad-hock network.

The guys name was Tom K-something (check p2pnet or ask Jon).

The only problem is, if you want that to connect to the net, you need some provider of some sort. But apparently works.

I think Rocky and Tom got into a little tiff at one time (but my memory isn't so good anymore).

Info is out there, andy isn't wrong. Skynet is using it (to an extent).


a1_Andy
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Actually I have LOTS of 900Mhz and 2.4 GHz out door stuff laying around my apartment and a storage locker full. I was operating a WISP in Trent Hills but when Northumberlamd decided to give 2mill to xplornet and ignored our Local ISP consortium application for the funding I got fed up. I knew from past dealings with xplornet that they would trample the entire free spectrum and put me out of business unless I switch to canopy. I couldn't afford to switch everything, I wasn't going to let my customers down and go bankrupt ether. I knew I couldn't compete against 2 mill in free money under those circumstances. I did have a neighboring WISP that was bigger and 100x better than xplornet so I contacted Nexicom and sold them my towers and customers. Now at least the north half of Trent Hills has a choice, my old customers are happy and I walked away with something.

On a side note; anyone want some gently used outdoor 802.11 2.4/ polling mac 900MHz outdoor access points and or client units? I have literally 100's for sale.

Cronoss, I know you won't like hearing this but the idea has been tried many times before 'mesh networks' and 'repeater networks' ring a bell, unless they are in a controlled environment or on a licenced frequency all using the same standard delivery system it will fail. It's always good to dream though. Best bet for you is hang that thing out your window if your sick of the throttle and jump on a open Hunter St Nexicom customers connection or some poor Cogeco customers open wifi with the 60 gig cap.....
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You Can build a man a fire and he will be warm for a night, You can set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.



got a cold

@mc.videotron.ca

Damn a1_Andy, Nice to see a bit of history here. Never knew this. Lots of stuff many don't know (I definitely didn't know this, but then again I know F all).

heh, I like you final advice. Made me laugh, but its reality.

Seems if you can't beat them 1-on-1, then a few million dollars tossed around will do the trick to "ensure competition" (ahem, cough).

Sounds familiar... cough »Bruce County. No competiton for you cough... damn cold.


a1_Andy
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Yes I decided not to add fuel to that Bruce county fire. What I think would be best is for all of us who where screwed by this rural broadband funding program to get together and figger out a game plan.



Angelo
The Network Guy
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Re: information required about wireless transmitters

andy how much juice does that thing eat

a1_Andy
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join:2005-12-29
Oshawa, ON

12v 1.0A PoE DC for the radio and 12V for the amp.



cpsycho

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Seriously... How much does that thing cost and does it need to be 100% line of sight? I need to know, I have an issue with a customer getting screwed on his net and yeah if I can do a point to point network it would be great.

Also where do I get one?



I like

@mc.videotron.ca

reply to a1_Andy

Re: information required about wireless transmitters

In the Tom K. article, he was explaining people could set-up even old TV antennas on their roof (going by memory) for this, with the proper equipment.

But I think your equipment may be a bit more sophisticated.

Ask p2pnet if he will toss this up & write an article based on your story. Nothing lost. At the same time ask him to write that you have 100's of these things for sale.

May as well try and get rid of them.

Makes a great story and read into how things are working here in Canada (with rural broadband funding) and possibly some sales for you on this equipment. Maybe someone will pick up the whole lot?

a combo of your story and the Bruce story is a good one.


DKS
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reply to chronoss2009

said by chronoss2009:

OH and thanks to that father( and you aren't gonna have a better dad then me ) of mine i know a ton of farmers around Ontario all over the place as well as other decent folk, who may or may not be interested in making a buck to have a tower placed in some field
think relays.
Everus is already doing that in Grey County. But not all silos are well-sited to do wireless.
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Need-based health care not greed-based health care.


pstewart
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said by DKS:

said by chronoss2009:

OH and thanks to that father( and you aren't gonna have a better dad then me ) of mine i know a ton of farmers around Ontario all over the place as well as other decent folk, who may or may not be interested in making a buck to have a tower placed in some field
think relays.
Everus is already doing that in Grey County. But not all silos are well-sited to do wireless.
Yeah Silos and water towers etc are terrible for wireless *typically*.... put up your own towers and be done - this at least gives you the coverage where *you* want it, not where someone else thought it was a good idea for a totally different product (cellular etc).
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DKS
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said by pstewart:

said by DKS:

said by chronoss2009:

OH and thanks to that father( and you aren't gonna have a better dad then me ) of mine i know a ton of farmers around Ontario all over the place as well as other decent folk, who may or may not be interested in making a buck to have a tower placed in some field
think relays.
Everus is already doing that in Grey County. But not all silos are well-sited to do wireless.
Yeah Silos and water towers etc are terrible for wireless *typically*.... put up your own towers and be done - this at least gives you the coverage where *you* want it, not where someone else thought it was a good idea for a totally different product (cellular etc).
Permission, permission, permission. Anything more than a TV antenna needs local zoning permission. And is all this in public frequencies and IC certified equipment? Otherwise IC permits are usually required.
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Need-based health care not greed-based health care.

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