| Bruce County. No competiton for you Locals fight Bruce County's high-speed Internet choice
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Schnurr alleges that a consultant hired by the county to review applications for the contract didn't read the consortium's 650-page submission by the consortium. He said the consultant didn't ask any technical questions about the submission and that things that the consultant claimed were lacking in the bid were addressed in the submission.
Schnurr said the consultant — Les Tutkaluke, president of Compu-Solve Technologies Inc. of Barrie — reported that one of the strikes against the consortium was that it didn't have a network operations control (NOC) centre.
"Contained in the submission is Packet Tel's profile, which operates a network for school boards and has a NOC centre . . . The county didn't review the submission. They made their decision without looking at the tenders," he said
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"The funding was to stimulate local businesses, the local economy. Giving it to Bell (Aliant) isn't putting it into the local economy," said Schnurr, who claims that Bell plans to deliver Internet service using existing local microwave cellphone towers. Consumers will access the service using a device that fits into the USB port on a computer.
"They are going to sell you a stick and use the cellphone towers which they are already doing . . . so why give Bell $1 million?" Schnurr asked.
Schnurr says the federal government gave Bell Canada $9 million to provide broadband service to rural parts of the country. "Bruce County didn't get any of that," he said.
He also objects to a decision by the corporate service committee in early November to rely on the consultant's report rather than take 30 days to review the tender documents first-hand. The consortium had asked for the delay.
lol 1 million dollars and all they do is sell a stick for their decrepit over-sold slow as molasses wireless access.
Bruce county citizens got the shaft, and will pay for getting the shaft (Vaseline is an additional value-added cost).
BTW, Bruce telecom is coming out with their own wireless this year:
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| said by stacked deck :Locals fight Bruce County's high-speed Internet choice » www.owensoundsuntimes.com/Articl···=2249965Schnurr alleges that a consultant hired by the county to review applications for the contract didn't read the consortium's 650-page submission by the consortium. He said the consultant didn't ask any technical questions about the submission and that things that the consultant claimed were lacking in the bid were addressed in the submission.
Schnurr said the consultant — Les Tutkaluke, president of Compu-Solve Technologies Inc. of Barrie — reported that one of the strikes against the consortium was that it didn't have a network operations control (NOC) centre.
"Contained in the submission is Packet Tel's profile, which operates a network for school boards and has a NOC centre . . . The county didn't review the submission. They made their decision without looking at the tenders," he said
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"The funding was to stimulate local businesses, the local economy. Giving it to Bell (Aliant) isn't putting it into the local economy," said Schnurr, who claims that Bell plans to deliver Internet service using existing local microwave cellphone towers. Consumers will access the service using a device that fits into the USB port on a computer.
"They are going to sell you a stick and use the cellphone towers which they are already doing . . . so why give Bell $1 million?" Schnurr asked.
Schnurr says the federal government gave Bell Canada $9 million to provide broadband service to rural parts of the country. "Bruce County didn't get any of that," he said.
He also objects to a decision by the corporate service committee in early November to rely on the consultant's report rather than take 30 days to review the tender documents first-hand. The consortium had asked for the delay. lol 1 million dollars and all they do is sell a stick for their decrepit over-sold slow as molasses wireless access. Bruce county citizens got the shaft, and will pay for getting the shaft (Vaseline is an additional value-added cost). BTW, Bruce telecom is coming out with their own wireless this year: » www.cartt.ca/news/FullStory.cfm?NewsNo=9219 That's bell's solution to putting Broadband into rural communities(by usb stick)?HAHAHAHAHAHA!
God that cracks me up.No Wonder WHY those 200 in PEI got shafted XD.Anyways bell is lame for doing that tho. |
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| said by JunjiHiroma:That's bell's solution to putting Broadband into rural communities(by usb stick)?HAHAHAHAHAHA! I don't know why you're laughing. This is tax payer money funding this.
The only ones laughing at bringing broadband over decrepit, aged, over-sold, throttled, slow as molasses USB stick is Bell. They must be laughing pretty damn loud (all the way to the bank). I would in their shoes. |
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said by JunjiHiroma:That's bell's solution to putting Broadband into rural communities(by usb stick)?HAHAHAHAHAHA! God that cracks me up.No Wonder WHY those 200 in PEI got shafted XD.Anyways bell is lame for doing that tho. Do you have a better idea for a sparsely populated large area? FTTH? Right. 
Perhaps you should take a look at the Bruce County Broadband Initiative.
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said by cue DKS :
That's DKS's hood. Maybe he can give us the hip scoop on the players.
See above. This is rural Ontario. Wireless in the only cost-effective way to go. You either use existing cell towers or silos.
The Grey County Broadband Initiative is further along, but was deliberately sabotaged this fall.
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| Re: Bruce County. A study in what not to do. said by DKS: This is rural Ontario. Wireless in the only cost-effective way to go. You either use existing cell towers or silos. Peterborough County and the template from Nexicom would be good start DKS.
Your county should get their act together. Who hired this guy anyway. |
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| said by shape up :
Who hired this guy anyway.
The county. |
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| said by stacked Deck :
The county. Sounds like some backwater Southern US style goings on.
Consultant a Bell shill? Some palms greased? More likely he was covertly subsidized by Bell and his fee was minimal.
Any background on this guy? The tendering seems fishy. Who are these members of the corporate service committee?
Apparently the county was rushed to make a decision or be open to litigation by Bell.
Glad I don't live there.
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The county. Sounds like some backwater Southern US style goings on. Consultant a Bell shill? Some palms greased? More likely he was covertly subsidized by Bell and his fee was minimal. Any background on this guy? The tendering seems fishy. Who are these members of the corporate service committee? Apparently the county was rushed to make a decision or be open to litigation by Bell. Glad I don't live there. If you have any proof, then make it. Otherwise your comments are libelous.
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said by shape up :said by DKS: This is rural Ontario. Wireless in the only cost-effective way to go. You either use existing cell towers or silos. Peterborough County and the template from Nexicom would be good start DKS. Your county should get their act together. Who hired this guy anyway. Nexicom didn't bid on the contract. Grey County used someone else (Everus) and is ahead (until some idiot blew up the physical plant). People I know on Everus are satisfied with their work.
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Re: Bruce County. Nervous folks up there. said by DKS:said by hicks :said by stacked Deck :
The county. Sounds like some backwater Southern US style goings on. Consultant a Bell shill? Some palms greased? More likely he was covertly subsidized by Bell and his fee was minimal. Any background on this guy? The tendering seems fishy. Who are these members of the corporate service committee? Apparently the county was rushed to make a decision or be open to litigation by Bell. Glad I don't live there. If you have any proof, then make it. Otherwise your comments are libelous. DKS gets riled up. 
Libel chill folks.
Lets see some questions. Some speculation. Some article regurgitation.
Am I connecting dots that those in the article couldn't state in print?
Something to hide up there DKS? |
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Re: Bruce County. A study in what not to do. said by DKS:If you have any proof, then make it. Otherwise your comments are libelous. I don't know who you think you are but making empty threats in here doesn't reflect well on what's going on in your county. If anything it makes me curious. I suggest if you don't speak officially for anyone in the article you keep comments like that to yourself. This is a public forum in Canada not North Korea after all. |
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Re: Bruce County. A study in what not to do. said by back off DKS :said by DKS:If you have any proof, then make it. Otherwise your comments are libelous. I don't know who you think you are but making empty threats in here doesn't reflect well on what's going on in your county. If anything it makes me curious. I suggest if you don't speak officially for anyone in the article you keep comments like that to yourself. This is a public forum in Canada not North Korea after all. The comments impugn the reputation of elected officials. Normally there is some proof offered for such comments. One presumes a reasonable burden of proof if one is making such allegations, at least in Canada. And I live in Grey County, not Bruce. It is very close ( a few km. west) and there is much crossover. This is rural Ontario, not the Golden Horseshoe. We do things differently up here. And we don't take well to impugning people's reputations without any proof.
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Re: Bruce County. Nervous folks up there. said by libel chill :DKS gets riled up. Libel chill folks. Lets see some questions. Some speculation. Some article regurgitation. Am I connecting dots that those in the article couldn't state in print? Something to hide up there DKS? Nothing to hide, at all. The consortium is asking questions. If you want to start connecting the dots, inquire of the background of the consultant who made the recommendation. What I find fascinating is the BMTS, an ILEC, did not submit a tender, although they would have the expertise and resources to do so.
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Re: Bruce County. No competiton for you Local internet providers alleging conflict of interest
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A group of internet providers in Bruce County is alleging conflict of interest and unfair competition in a recommendation that Bell Aliant get the contract for the county's broadband project.
The $3 million project includes a $1 million grant from the Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs along with about $100,000 in county funds.
The decision is a blow to local business, according to representatives of Bruce County Communications Corporation (BCCC).
BCCC represents four local providers who banded together to bid on the Bruce county broadband project.
The county's decision in favour of Bell Aliant effectively puts the local providers out of business while paving the way for Bell and Telus to make gains on the infrastructure the independent local companies have built over the past five years, said John Schnurr of Nvisible Links.
Selecting a large publicly traded company goes against the intent of the OMAFRA grant that's part of the project, said David Gils of Grey-Bruce Telecom.
"It's specifically stated as part of the (program) that it must be used to help stimulate the local economy," Gils said.
"In this case it's not actually doing that. You're giving it to a large corporation which is going to put the local business out of business."
Consultant Les Tutkaluke of Compu-Solve Technologies of Barrie recommended Bell Aliant after reviewing two bids for the job of expanding high speed internet to rural areas around Walkerton, Wiarton and Red Bay.
Tutkaluke is a Telus dealer, a fact that has Schnurr fuming about unfair practice and conflict of interest.
"We don't feel that it was fair because the consultant who reviewed it is a reseller for Telus which has an agreement with Bell to provide (rural internet) services," Schnurr said.
"And this is the man making the presentation saying that he's independent." ...
cough-cough toss a few million here-n-there to "ensure competition" cough-cough. Damn cold.
"I feel (local providers are) coming in at a disadvantage just because they're small and not a big publicly traded company," she said.
"I think we're doing our people and our businesses a disservice."
The local companies have a proven track record and expected to grow with the help of the project's provincial funding, Gilbert said.
BCCC companies - Packatel, Maximum ISP, Nvisible Links and Grey-Bruce Telecom, already serve Sauble Beach, Wiarton, Red Bay and all the schools in the Bluewater District School Board.
"The whole intent of this funding was to grow our local economy and use our local businesses. I was disappointed that was swept under the table and we went with a big company," Gilbert said.
Gilbert along with Kincardine Mayor Larry Kraemer and Brockton mayor Charlie Bagnato voted against the Bell Aliant recommendation.
"Here we could promote someone local and that's the whole idea I would think when the government's giving out money," Bagnato said about voting against Bell Aliant.
"Bell would be one of the last companies you would think of that would need a boost like that."
cough-cough »Re: information required about wireless transmitters cough-cough. Damn cold.
"They will undercut us and they'll promise things that are not going to happen," Schnurr said.
Customers are already falling for low prices for internet service that is patchy at best, Gils said.
"We already have people crying on the phone, saying 'I walked into a three year contract with these guys paying 30 bucks a month and it doesn't work. Now I have to pay you guys (as well) so I actually have (internet) that works," Gils said. "It's really heartbreaking."
People have been crying for years about this to industry Canada, the CRTC, the CCTS, PIAC, CIPPIC, Consumers union, Consumers' Association of Canada, the competition bureau and even weights and measures Canada, to name but a few... all ignored. Millions at stake to steal from you
Gils wants Bruce county to reconsider its recommendation, but failing that he said OMAFRA should refuse to release a million dollar grant that will end up in Bell's hands.
"If indeed Bell Aliant is awarded this and goes forward, I'm going to take my equipment out and move on," Schnurr said.
"We'll be shutting down operations. We can't compete with this."
cough-cough »Re: information required about wireless transmitters cough-cough. Damn cold.
More to come (cold permitting).... |
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Re: Bruce County. Nervous folks up there. Normally a wireless consortium is made up of the locals in a attempt to gain funding. Do we know what local providers the consortium is made up of? As for as I knew BMTS only has DSL and dialup but have there own Co. I could be wrong.
As far as a witch hunt on the consultant..... Chances are he was told who to recommend. Thank god he didn't recommend xplornet then all the local wisps would be screwed. So the locals have to compete with a USB dongle on a licenced band, its not going to trample the whole free spectrum and we all know how quick those cell towers will get overloaded on bells network. What I was told is if a county does not give the money to bell or xplornet the province will not kick in there share of the funding. I would rather the county throw the money away than put the locals out of business (like in almost every other county this funding has been handed out in).
My biggest problem with a witch hunt is there is no such thing as a witch.
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