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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:2

Here we go again

I guess it's that time of year again to find out how each of the big companies is going to screw their customers over in the new year.

Forced data plans.....there's customer service for you.
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BigVe

join:2005-07-15
Gulliver, MI

1 recommendation

Time to check out the other providers and dump Verizon



beldin
Script Monkey number 50
Premium
join:2006-06-06
Union, SC

I starting to look real hard at the pre-paid phones like Trac Phone and such at Wally World.
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Rich

@att.com
reply to Camelot One

Remember it's all about providing customers with value!!!!


tomz17

join:2004-01-09
Newark, NJ
reply to Camelot One

NOT NEWS! The MAJOR changes already happened about 2 years ago when they removed MOU (minutes on use) data --and-- about 6 months ago when they removed the vcast vpack.

Again... this is EXACTLY how things are right now except :

- There is a $19.99 75 meg option which is going to be removed. Only the $9.99 (25 meg) and $29.99 (5 gig) options will remain.

- There is a new "category" of phones called 3g multimedia phones. These phones are now REQUIRED to have at least the $9.99 plan. These are phones that have substantial multimedia capability but run a proprietary OS (anything not blackberry, windows mobile, or android). These usually have larger screens, a non-wap browser, a simple e-mail client, and are designed to promote multimedia messaging.
Verizon has ALWAYS strongly suggested the purchase of a data plan for these... (after all, what idiot spends the cash on a phone like this if you aren't going to use the 3g multimedia features!?) They *used* to give you the option to sign these up for Vcast ($15 unlimited data), but that was already removed last year.

So to summarize :
- They are removing the $19.99 75 meg option
- They now REQUIRE (versus strongly suggest) a $9.99 data plan if you get yourself a fancy phone

Everything else stays the same. If you want a basic phone, you still pay the same price!

P.S. 25 megs is actually quite a bit of data for a non-smartphone. I wish it were more too, but it's not some bizarro-unrealistic number that would force everyone onto the $30 plan. My old verizon htc touch smart phone (windows mobile) averaged about 50 megs a month (with push mail / google maps / youtube web browsing, etc.).

P.P.S. If you want a fancy "media" phone, pageplus will give you 1200 minutes, 1200 texts, and 50 megs of data on the verizon network for $29.99/month (less if you buy the refill cards online)



mking128

join:2005-08-10
College Point, NY
kudos:1
Reviews:
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reply to Rich

Hell, VZW's executives figured that if credit card companies can get away with raising interest rates and banks can charge higher fees, they might as well join the party - afterall, who isn't look for profits & huge year-end bonuses. AND, ***** the government & AG's inquiries about the bogus $1.99 mystery fees on the customer bills. "Let's get even"

We, the consumers, do have choices & vote with our wallet & can pay for things with a debit card (processed as a credit card with no transaction fees)

VZW's "We never stop working for you ...." Duh, and just hand over your wallet. Nah, I can terminate the contract & port my wife's number into a prepaid plan (and save an additional 25% in taxes, fees & mandatory surcharges) later this year when the contract is up for renewal.

Don't we love government de-regulations !! NOT



Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
kudos:39

1 edit

1 recommendation

reply to tomz17

Yes, other than eliminating an entire price tier, lowering the $9.99 cap from 50 to 20 cents per additional megabyte, reclassifying all phones, reducing total number of phones offered, revamping voice plans, expanding which phones must have at least a $9.99 plan -- and essentially revamping their entire price structure so that most of their customers who use data pay more money -- this is not news.


statewd

join:2008-11-18
reply to beldin

Check out Straight Talk and PagePlus (search google). These two are using Verizon network but are month-to-month and excellent pricing.



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to tomz17

said by tomz17:

There is a new "category" of phones called 3g multimedia phones. These phones are now REQUIRED to have at least the $9.99 plan. These are phones that have substantial multimedia capability but run a proprietary OS (anything not blackberry, windows mobile, or android). These usually have larger screens, a non-wap browser, a simple e-mail client, and are designed to promote multimedia messaging.

Verizon has ALWAYS strongly suggested the purchase of a data plan for these... (after all, what idiot spends the cash on a phone like this if you aren't going to use the 3g multimedia features!?)
Actually my chocolate 3 is classified as one of these phones and thus is required to get at least the $10 data plan if I make changes to my plan. I don't use the data and no that doesn't make me an idiot. Ever think some of these phones have features people want that have nothing to do with data?

Basically peoples' choices are

A) totally gimped crap phone

B) phone with features you want, pay $10 more for data you never plan on using.

tomz17

join:2004-01-09
Newark, NJ
reply to Karl Bode

said by Karl Bode:

Yes, other than eliminating an entire price tier
- You mean the $19.99 for 75 megs ? They add and remove feature packs like this on almost a monthly basis. *yawn* How is that HUGE news?

said by Karl Bode:

lowering the $9.99 cap from 50 to 20 cents per additional megabyte
- Ok, they LOWERED overage charges

said by Karl Bode:

reclassifying all phones
- No (practically speaking) they actually haven't really reclassified anything. These classifications have always existed in verizon-world. Before you had smartphones and non-smartphones. Smartphones ALWAYS required the $29.99 data plan. Among the non-smartphones they would typically strongly recommend you take a data plan for the multimedia-capable phones if you were going to make any use of the 3g-multimedia capabilities (otherwise you would get ass-reamed with $1.99/meg and undoubtedly bitch endlessly when the first bill came). This time last year, they would have tried to sell you on the vcast vpack for $15. Recently, they would try to get you onto the $9.99 or $19.99 plan. Now they REQUIRE the $9.99 plan for these NINE "multimedia" phones.

said by Karl Bode:

reducing total number of phones offered
Phone selection varies on a weekly basis. Stocking additional phones does cost extra. Again, not really huge news here, as very few people care whether they sell 80 or 50 models of phones... Quick, off the top of your head, how many models of phones does AT&T sell? Right... nobody cares!

said by Karl Bode:

revamping voice plans
They dropped the price of unlimited by 30%. Everything else has stayed exactly the same. I guess that will be newsworthy, especially if other carriers respond.

said by Karl Bode:

expanding which phones must have at least a $9.99 plan
AFAIK, nobody was FORCED onto the $9.99 plan before, but the majority of customers elected to purchase this feature pack anyway (since they bought a multimedia phone to use the MULTIMEDIA features). The remaining vocal minority complained bitterly about their $1.99/meg in overages (I'm not talking about the phantom charges, get-it-now or wap browser fiasco). Now there's NINE phones that will REQUIRE the $9.99 plan, but most of those customers already had at least the $9.99 data pack. This only affects those that wanted to buy a 3g-multimedia phone but not use any of the 3g-multimedia features!

said by Karl Bode:

-- and essentially revamping their entire price structure so that most of their customers who use data pay more money
MOST OF THEIR CUSTOMERS!? NOT TRUE!

- NOTHING changes for existing customers... you are grandfathered into your old plan for life (until you CHOOSE to change something) (no change)

- New smartphone users STILL pay $29.99. hell, they recently began to corp-discount the data packs as well. Smartphone data has actually become CHEAPER for me in the past few months. (let's say no change)

- New customers choosing to buy one of the NINE multimedia phones now HAVE to take the $9.99 data package as well (but most already chose to do this before anyway). The upside is that overage is now much cheaper. (so this might be more expensive --or-- cheaper depending on how much data you actually use per month)

- New customers choosing any regular phone can continue to do what they have always done.. (no change)

said by Karl Bode:

-- this is not news.
uhh... it isn't... I've seen this "story" 15 times already. it has been blown out of proportion by every single media outlet. The loss of vcast vpack, and MOU data was HUGE news IMHO (but never got really covered). As far as your wallet goes this is a little popcorn fart compared to that. The ONLY people affected are those that want to buy one of the nine "3g multimedia handsets" and pay $1.99/meg for data. Most customers with those phones typically already bought the $9.99 data plan anyway.

I'm not defending the US wireless industry here. Data is WAY WAY WAY overpriced (see some of my other posts comparing the cost of 3G services you can get in other countries). But verizon is actually comparable (in data pricing) with other US carriers, even after these new changes.

More importantly, the sky isn't falling at verizon wireless this January... This is a relatively minor adjustment considering some of the industry changes that have passed-by unnoticed these past three years!

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
reply to Karl Bode

NOTE: if you use 75MB of data you'll still be paying $20 per month, as long as you downgrade to the $10 plan. It's actually a slightly better deal..



NOVA_Guy
ObamaCare Kills Americans
Premium
join:2002-03-05
reply to mking128

"We never stop working for you"???!!!

More like "We never stop working you over"!!!!!



Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
kudos:39

1 edit
reply to tomz17

I'm impressed by the length of your last post, but I'm still confused. You say none of this is news, then you rattle off about seven different changes that were made to Verizon Wireless pricing -- at one point even admitting it MIGHT be news. You note that the reconfiguration/elimination of VCAST was news (which we covered) -- as was when Verizon unveiled these new plans six months ago (which we also covered). Now that Verizon eliminates an entire pricing tier, lowers an overage fee, and makes a number of other changes it's NOT news.

I guess I just don't follow. Clearly I need a pie chart.


nonymous
Premium
join:2003-09-08
Glendale, AZ
reply to tomz17

"- There is a new "category" of phones called 3g multimedia phones. These phones are now REQUIRED to have at least the $9.99 plan. These are phones that have substantial multimedia capability but run a proprietary OS (anything not blackberry, windows mobile, or android). These usually have larger screens, a non-wap browser, a simple e-mail client, and are designed to promote multimedia messaging.
Verizon has ALWAYS strongly suggested the purchase of a data plan for these... (after all, what idiot spends the cash on a phone like this if you aren't going to use the 3g multimedia features!?) They *used* to give you the option to sign these up for Vcast ($15 unlimited data), but that was already removed last year."
Older people who text message and send photos and like even a small keyboard, that is who. i am too old to text under my desk on a normal phone.
Where I live Verizon still has the best coverage in rural areas I go to. But at the end of the contract a choice will be made. Those 70 million subs could disappear fast.



Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:2

said by nonymous:

(after all, what idiot spends the cash on a phone like this if you aren't going to use the 3g multimedia features!?)
I guess I would be that idiot. I carry a "smart" phone, for the PDA features. I use the built in wifi when I need to connect to the internet (for free) because it's available just about everywhere I go. I have no need to waste more money on a cell data plan, but I do use features on my phone beyond making phone calls.