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reply to TSI Martin

Re: Everything MLPPP

reply to TSI Martin
will mlppp work with cable internet?
also whats the max number of cable connections at one residence

reply to mlord

Re: Ethernet broadcasts leaking out over DSL with MLPPP ?

reply to TSI Martin
Here is a question I originally asked in a more roundabout way in a different thread:

With a two-line MLPPP setup, using a WRT54GL with Tomato/MLPPP, the second modem connects to the WRT54GL via the LAN side of the router. As such, this modem "sees" all ethernet broadcast frames from the LAN --> anything with a MAC of FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF will be seen by the modem.

Q: Does the modem forward all ethernet broadcasts over the DSL connection to the RAS ?

I suppose it must, since PADI packets are sent that way, and are essential to PPPoE.

But this would also then mean that DHCP discovery, ARP, and other local LAN broadcasts would then also be travelling across the DSL connection. Which could be a rather large security hole, as well as a small amount of wasted bandwidth.

Does anyone know the answer? I would expect somebody from TSI might know.

Thanks.

reply to rtoole

Re: Everything MLPPP

reply to TSI Martin
Multilink PPP on a Cisco 2691 works well for me in Telus Land (Calgary) I've posted my config and some details here: »www.tooleweb.ca/blog/?e=7

Very happy with it. TSI, Why no official support for it out west?

reply to TSI Martin
Hi Martin,
In your Cisco example the router has an internal ADSL WIC card. In my case I currently use a Cisco 3620 with Ethernet interfaces only and I use an external Alcatel speedtouch DSL modem in bridge mode. This config is working for me for 5 year now.
Following is the relevant working configuration :
vpdn enable
vpdn session-limit 1
!
vpdn-group 1
request-dialin
protocol pppoe

interface Ethernet0/0
description TO ADSL MODEM (BRIDGE MODE)
no ip address
half-duplex
pppoe enable
pppoe-client dial-pool-number 1
no cdp enable
!
interface Ethernet0/1
description INTERNAL LAN
ip address x.y.z.t a.b.c.d
ip nat inside

interface Ethernet0/2
no ip address
shutdown
!
interface Ethernet0/3
no ip address
shutdown

interface Dialer1
ip address negotiated
ip nat outside
encapsulation ppp
dialer pool 1
dialer-group 1
no peer default ip address
keepalive 3
ppp authentication pap callin
ppp pap sent-username xxxxxxxx password 7 000000000

My question is what would be the template so I can use SLPPP with the same Cisco router and the same external modem (and one phone line)? I did quite a bit of research but this solution doesn't seem to be that popular. I have already the MLPPP login from teksavvy now I need to get this working.
Thanks in advance!

reply to TSI Martin
Single Link MLPPP now works in the PFsense 2.0 beta.

Assuming you have an interface that you're not using the steps to follow are (this is for an Alix 2D13 board, but it should be similar for other systems):

Your hardware has 3 NICs, vr0, vr1 and vr2. Let's say for example you want to connect your modem to vr0. vr1 will be your LAN. vr2 will not be plugged, but will act as the dummy link in the bundle, like this:

vr0--modem
vr1--LAN switch
vr2--unplugged

1. Go to interfaces_ppps.php and delete every entry.
2. Click the + sign to make a new entry.
3. Choose type: pppoe. Link interfaces: select vr0 and vr2 (using the ctrl key).
4. Save and go to interfaces_assign.php.
5. You need exactly 2 entries here. WAN: PPPOE0(vr0,vr2) and LAN: vr1 (00:00:00:00:00:00). Save and apply as needed.

That's it. These instructions only work if you have a physical port that's not in use. If you're using all your physical ports then you'll have to go about it a little differently with vlans. Let me know if you want instructions for that.

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However if you don't have a spare port that you can use there's always the VLAN route covered here:

If you want slmlppp and you don't have a spare physical interface, then you need to create and use a vlan interface as the dummy. The gotcha here is that a vlan interface won't show up in the interface list when you're selecting your pppoe bundle members unless you have first enabled that vlan as a static or dhcp interface.

Creating vlans in pfsense is effectively free, so just make a vlan on your WAN or some other port, so for example vr0 is your WAN, and you also create vlan 999 on vr0 and assign it as OPT2 (because vr2 is now OPT1). Enable OPT2 as a static IP address that does not fall on one of your existing subnets, and then go to ppps and make a pppoe bundle from vr0 and OPT2.

Steps were copied from Clarknova's posts on the Pfsense forum.

reply to smokerings
It took an evening to realize my hardware version was too new. It would be nice if DD-WRT's Multi-Link worked as it would save me $60 , however I have no option but to grab a new one to install Tomato/MLPPP ( getting a WRT54GL , making sure its one of the older firmware versions ).

reply to spinbot
Yes, you can run MLPPP with just a single line and your line will not be throttled.

I don't think that router is able to run tomato/mlppp as it only has 2mb of flash and I believe you need at least 4mb to install that firmware.( Just ran into your post on RFD asking the same stuff while I was searching hehe )

reply to TSI Martin
I reached the frustration point today with Bell throttling my connection of which is best 2.5Mbps.

I have a DSL circuit from my work on my phone line and a DSL Login with Teksavvy. I ordered a dryloop connection with MLPPP from Teksavvy on the second copper pair ( hopefully Bell doesn't mess this up on Friday ).

I've got 2 Speedtouch 516 Modems and a Linksys Router (WRT54GS ver7.2) running "Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (08/12/10) micro"

I'm getting overwhelmed with information on the DD-WRT and haven't been able to get the simple answer to "Can this do MLPPP". If so, I know to keep digging for "How to setup MLPPP".

Does anyone know if this will work for what I need?

I did read the previous posts that suggested that its fairly easy to switch from DD-WRT to Tomato. Do I need to setup all my wireless security , port forwards, DDNS, etc again or does it know how to save that info?

Any other tips one might find helpful to me I am all ears!

Thanks everyone!

Oh .. one last question: SLPPP .... could I have I just paid an extra $4 a month and been able to get around the throttling as opposed to the extra $61.21 I have to pay now for the Naked DSL connection with MLPPP?

reply to skbrewer
Just don't neglect doing an NVRAM reset (from Tomato) after switching, or before switching back to DDWRT. Dunno how important that really is, but it all works smoothly for me (WRT54GL) when I do it that way.

And if starting from scratch, with Linksys factory firmware on the router, then the initial install of Tomato is as simple as clicking the "Firmware Upgrade" link there, too.

In fact, that's probably the easiest way to install DDWRT from scratch: use Linksys Firmware Upgrade to first install Tomato, and then.. procrastinate.

Cheers

reply to mlord
Ah, yeah? That's not so bad. I was thinking I'd have to do it the same way as the initial install, which, despite having done it on half a dozen routers now, is still a little harrowing when I do it the first time.

I've seen the screenshots of there being a "Multi Link" checkbox under the PPPoE settings in some versions of DD-WRT, but that checkbox isn't there in my build (listed in my previous post), which lead me to think it was in future betas only, which I can't use since they're not vintage builds.

reply to skbrewer

reply to TSI Martin
I've signed up for Teksavvy unlimited with single line MLPPP today, and I'm psyched to be ditching Rogers. One thing I wanted to look into is having everything ready for my installation when the day comes, and I'm trying to line my router out.

After some google searches, I've read that single-link MLPPP can be enabled in DD-WRT by slipping "nomppe mp" into the MPPE Encryption setup box, which essentially sneaks it into the appropriate config file without actually enabling MPPE. Is this sufficient to enable single-link MLPPP? I'm using DD-WRT v24-sp2, build 13064M VINT std. I'm basically stuck with that build since I'm using a WRT54G v1.1, and the FAQs say the Broadcom chipset on that router requires the VINT builds.

If this isn't going to work, I can switch the router to Tomato/MLPPP, but I'd really rather not go through the trouble if I don't need to.

Also, it's funny that the majority of the searches on google referring to MLPPP and custom firmware bring you back to this forum.

reply to Lightwave
Just completed the setup...
Works great.. and not so tough to setup once you get your head around RouterOS.

4 Lines, MLPPP, 19.9mbps down, 2.3mbps up using RB750G using the newest firmware, ver5beta6. For $70 can't beat it.

reply to TSI Martin
About ready to attempt a 4 line hookup with Mikrotik RB750g router, cabinet almost complete, since I have quite a few of them that I use for business/customer/tower deployments but having seen this thread figured I'd give one a whirl and see how it works.

Any 1st hand experience with the 750G on a 4 line mlppp with Teksavvy?

Feedback is appreciated.. otherwise have to find a different product if its not recommended or has reliability issues. All lines stats are 6m/800k clean.

THanks

reply to clarknova
What he actually said, was "SRA seems to work fine in 7.4.4.7, and adds significant stability." And the jitter fixes came with 7.2 and higher firmware.

Since here in Ontario, Bell has not enabled SRA for regular DSL, I guess that wouldn't help us any, so I might try to resist temptation, and just stick with good/stable 7.4.3.2.

Thanks!

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reply to mlord