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vitesse

join:2002-12-17
Saint-Jean-Sur-Richelieu, QC
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reply to TSI Martin

Re: Everything MLPPP

What is the best router option available for doing 2 line mlppp?

I want to get ride of my POTS and only use VOIP phone, but my current "ZeroShell" router is really bad at QOS or I'M doing something wrong. When Utorrent is in use I always have difficulties with my voip signal. I had an WRT54gl with tomato/mlppp, but the hardware was not fast enough.

If anyone have a suggestion,. I'm open to it.
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clarknova

join:2010-02-23
Grande Prairie, AB
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said by vitesse:

I had an WRT54gl with tomato/mlppp, but the hardware was not fast enough.

For two lines? I think you're doing it wrong. I've done three lines on a WL-520GU, which has only marginally more CPU power, and CPU usage was around 50% with the throttle fully open, including torrents, voip, and other traffic, all being properly managed by Tomato's QoS. What symptoms were you seeing that made you believe your hardware was inadequate?
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vitesse

join:2002-12-17
Saint-Jean-Sur-Richelieu, QC
maximum number of concurrent connection.... limited at around 350-400


clarknova

join:2010-02-23
Grande Prairie, AB
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Have a look at Advanced>Conntrack/Netfilter (/advanced-ctnf.asp). Tomato default is 4096 maximum connections, but you can increase that until you run out of RAM.

How easy is it to use up 4096 connection? I had approximately 300 users behind mine and didn't have to adjust that setting. You could do it if you were torrenting and connected to thousands of peers, but on a 30 mbps connection there is no benefit to more than about 300 concurrent peer connections anyway.
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vitesse

join:2002-12-17
Saint-Jean-Sur-Richelieu, QC
my wrt54gl run out of ram at around 400 connections. This is why I changed for something else at first.

bradbarian

join:2011-06-07
Oshawa, ON

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reply to TSI Martin
answered


dsoegiarto

join:2010-04-16
Ottawa, ON
reply to TSI Martin
anybody has a D-Link DIR-615 that works with MLPPP? it can support DD-WRT and i only have 1 dry DSL line...


TSI Outages
TSI Support
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join:2009-09-28
Chatham, ON
Hey dsoegiarto,

It depends on what firmware version your dir-615 comes with, but most versions do update with DD WRT.
Regards,

TSR Paulo


dsoegiarto

join:2010-04-16
Ottawa, ON
Reviews:
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said by TSI Outages:

Hey dsoegiarto,

It depends on what firmware version your dir-615 comes with, but most versions do update with DD WRT.
Regards,

TSR Paulo

and if it does updates with DD-WRT, i can benefit with MLPPP?

i thought DD still supports it unofficially only? and my DIR-615 doesn't work with tomato


TSI Outages
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join:2009-09-28
Chatham, ON
Hey dsoegiarto,

You can indeed benefit from using DD WRT with that router. Keep in mind, DD WRT will ONLY support SLPPP. You cannot run more than one connection or bond lines with this firmware.

Also, our tomato firmware doesn't need to be modified in any way and is ready to use once the firmware is in place, whereas DD WRT may need fixes via telnet to get it to work, depending on the hardware and firmware version. We will not support DD WRT because of this, officially.

Cheers,

TSR Paulo

pmarcovi

join:2009-06-29
Woodbridge, ON
Can the Tomato MLPPP version be applied on the WRT320N? Newer version of "regular" Tomato can ...


clarknova

join:2010-02-23
Grande Prairie, AB
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said by pmarcovi:

Newer version of "regular" Tomato can ...

Nope. »polarcloud.com/tomato

If it's not on that page then it's not going to work.
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pmarcovi

join:2009-06-29
Woodbridge, ON
said by clarknova:

said by pmarcovi:

Newer version of "regular" Tomato can ...

Nope. »polarcloud.com/tomato

If it's not on that page then it's not going to work.

These links says otherwise:
»tomatousb.org/forum/t-265034/ple···mato-usb

What is the chance that the MLPPP version does not work if the newer version works?


clarknova

join:2010-02-23
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TomatoUSB is based on Tomato. Tomato/mlppp is based on Tomato. Neither of these is Tomato, but two distinct forks thereof.

Tomato is a K24 build. In other words it runs on the Linux 2.4 series kernel. Likewise, Tomato/mlppp exists only in the K24 flavour.

The version of TomatoUSB that runs on your router is a K26 build, running on the Linux 2.6 series kernel. Until somebody ports Tomato/mlppp to K26 you are out of luck with that hardware.
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pmarcovi

join:2009-06-29
Woodbridge, ON
said by clarknova:

TomatoUSB is based on Tomato. Tomato/mlppp is based on Tomato. Neither of these is Tomato, but two distinct forks thereof.

Tomato is a K24 build. In other words it runs on the Linux 2.4 series kernel. Likewise, Tomato/mlppp exists only in the K24 flavour.

The version of TomatoUSB that runs on your router is a K26 build, running on the Linux 2.6 series kernel. Until somebody ports Tomato/mlppp to K26 you are out of luck with that hardware.

I ended up installing the following: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (07/18/10) big
(SVN revision 14826M NEWD-2 K2.6 Eko)

It looks like everything works well. From what I understand DD-WRT supports only SLPPP, but that is what I need.

It would be nice if the Tomato MLPPP is upgraded to use the 2.6 kernel ...

Dunlop

join:2011-07-13
kudos:2
reply to TSI Martin
Sorry for the noob question but I am having DSL installed next week after having cable for the last decade.

I understand that MLPPP can be installed on a single line, do I still need a tomato based router?

mdirouhi

join:2011-01-07
Scarborough, ON
Yes, you still need a router installed with Tomato MLPPP.

I would recommend that you buy Linksys WRT54GL router straight from Teksavvy. That way you can get support with setting up the router.


underubb

@teksavvy.com
"for single line MLPPP" you can just use any old modem/router and an app on your computer..... Is bell still throttling un-MLPPP connections?

Dunlop

join:2011-07-13
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said by underubb :

"for single line MLPPP" you can just use any old modem/router and an app on your computer..... Is bell still throttling un-MLPPP connections?

thanks for the responses.

I am about to cave and pick up an ASUS RT-N16,

My question was a little unclear.

I assume if you have multiple devices then MLPPP needs to be setup via the router as opposed to setting up my PC for MLPPP (in windows) but configuring the other devices (2nd PC, PS3, ect) to connect via PPPoE

Dunlop

join:2011-07-13
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reply to TSI Martin
I ended up picking up a Netgear N300

I see it can take tomato or DD-Wrt

I want to setup MLPPP on a single DSL connection, is there a preferred firmware of the two?

thanks (this should be my last noob question)

edit: nvm, set it up with DD-WRT


atrens

@juniper.net
reply to TSI Martin

A few questions folks ..

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First question has to do with topology/vlans/pppoe ..

Here's my simple network topology. In words I have two Thomson
516v6's connected to a close-by ethernet switch, then about 40 ft
of cat5e and another ethernet switch. And connected to that second
switch is my mlppp/pppoe box -

___ ___
516v6x--x| | | |
| X |x----x| X |
516v6x--x|___| |___|x--x mlppp/pppoe box
^ ^ ^
| | |_ second gige switch
| |
| |_ 10m cat5e
|
|_ first gige switch

What I'd like to do is to create a vlan on one of the thompson's,
say vlanid = 9 just for sake of argument, so that I can direct my
second pppoe connection to run on that vlan so that it's certain
that that connection will get directed to the secondary thomson.
I've empirically verified that with only one Thompson in the network
I can create multiple links on the one device, so I'm thinking that
I need some way of partitioning the two modems (vlan) so that hilarity
won't ensue once I enable the second modem. :)

Has anyone attempted this and might know the Thomson cli incantation for
creating vlans? I'm tempted to just yank user.ini off of the Thomson
and change the default vlan to be 9.

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Second question has to do with MRRU's and link latency and throughput
parameter tuning ..

Here are my current LCP negotiated settings -

[L1] show lcp
LCP [Opened]
Self:
MRU : 1492 bytes
MAGIC : 0x5ff944db
ACCMAP : 0x000a0000
ACFCOMP : No
PROTOCOMP: Yes
AUTHTYPE : none
MRRU : 4096 bytes
SHORTSEQ : No
ENDPOINTDISC: [802.1] 00 0d b9 0d 02 50
Peer:
MRU : 1492 bytes
MAGIC : 0x2c863d13
ACCMAP : 0xffffffff
ACFCOMP : No
PROTOCOMP: No
AUTHTYPE : PAP
MRRU : 32719 bytes
SHORTSEQ : No
ENDPOINTDISC: [LOCAL] 34 36 30 37 32 31 30 30 39 31 00 00 00 00 00

Firstly I'm assuming MRU should be the same as normal single link ppp. So I'm
pretty confident about 1492.

Now the MRRU on the other hand is kind of intriguing. I've read through the 7
or so pages of posts on this thread and see that folks have commented on atm
cell payload size and the like as it relates to MRRU, but what's up with the
Teksavvy 'peer' having a huge MRRU of 32719? Far as I know this violates the
PPPOE RFC which I think says 4096 bytes. And what relation (if any) does 32719
have to atm cell payload size?

$ bc -l
32719/53
617.33962264150943396226
32719 - (617*53)
18

Can folks comment on what the best setting is for my side's MRRU? Should I be
matching Teksavvy's setting?

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And one final question wrt to link latency and bandwidth.

I have the ability to tweak these, here are my current settings -

[L1] show link
Link L1 (static):
Configuration:
Device type : pppoe
MRU : 1492 bytes
MRRU : 4096 bytes
Ctrl char map : 0x000a0000 bytes
Retry timeout : 2 seconds
Max redial : unlimited, delay 1s
Bandwidth : 800000 bits/sec
Latency : 5 usec
Keep-alive : every 5 secs, timeout 75
Ident string : ""

First of all my assumption is that both bandwidth and latency pertain only
to Transmit (ie uplink) characteristics of my link. So I've set my bandwidth
to match what my modem is reporting as my upstream bandwidth.

Latency apparently is only important when the links have different
characteristics which is in this case is not a concern. Any non-zero small
value seems to be fine.

So my final question simply whether folks have experience to share wrt
my bandwidth and latency assumptions.

Thanks in advance for your help! :)

--Andrew

pmarcovi

join:2009-06-29
Woodbridge, ON
reply to TSI Martin
For any routers that need K26 (Kernel Linux 2.6) like Linksys WRT320n, there is a tomato mod called DualWAN which apparently does support MLPPP (single and multi). Unfortunately, the official site and the firmware itself is Chinese only.

Recently I found out somebody translated it in English. See postings here: »www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?th···3/page-8.

I do not know when I will have time to try it (currently running with DD-WRT), but if anybody here does try it, please post the results.


f1daily

join:2011-04-11
canada
reply to TSI Martin
Hey guys, I'm an idiot when it comes to MLPPP. If I add MLPPP with TekSavvy, do I need a proper router or change settings or will it work right away without me not doing anything on my part to stop torrent throttling. My Ubuntu distro says it needs one week to download and I can't take it anymore!

Thanks for the help!

Dunlop

join:2011-07-13
kudos:2
you need a router with dd-wrt or tomato as mentioned in the OP which has MLPPP features.

edykstra

join:2011-07-31
Barrie, ON
reply to TSI Martin
For 3 or 4 lines, TekSavvy suggests the RouterBoard RB750GL. It is apparently an awesome piece of hardware, and only costs approx $70.

However, the unit comes with ZERO documentation, and the online docs assume you are working with a different model that has a serial interface. (And I had to complain to Mikrotik to get that added recently. Before that, there was nothing.)

I've poured over countless forum posts, each with bits of info - which likely do NOT go together. TekSavvy does not support the setup, but apparently Acanac offers a beautiful script for the unit. Just enter your user/pass and you are done. Why can't TekSavvy do that?

I've got a /27 subnet from TekSavvy and I REALLY need to get this going.

Is there anyone out there with a bunch of static IPs and a RB750GL that can send me screen shots of the Winbox configuration windows to help me figure this out? If not, I guess I am expected to reverse engineer the embedded code on the chips.

Thanks in advance for your effort.

jammin1911

join:2011-01-29
reply to TSI Martin
Is it possible to use MLPPP with VDSL2? (Specifically the 25/7 package from Teksavvy)

Thanks!

aks_canada

join:2004-11-20
Oakville, ON
reply to TSI Martin
Hi
I have tried to find out this info, because i know there are a slew of messages concerning.... but.... specifically, does the Netgear WNDR3700 support Single Line MLPPP?
I read that the newer version 2 as of two weeks ago now will work with DD-WRT. Is this the firmware I will need to get it up and running?

My goal is to get a stable router running Wireless N and Single LIne MLPPP that is scaleable if I upgrade my DSL speed. I currently have a Linksys WRT54GL that works well, but it's not Wireless N.
Thanks

Dunlop

join:2011-07-13
kudos:2
pretty sure that's the router I picked up (I'll check when I get home), my understanding is that all routers will recent versions of DD-WRT installed will support single line MLPPP.

Works without an issue for me

Sith Sideus

join:2011-03-27
Mount Pleasant, ON
reply to TSI Martin
so if im only getting 1.5meg down and .5 meg up if i was to set up lets say a 2 connection MLPPP would i be getting 3meg down and 1 meg up? or would it strengthen the line quality and make things better?


clarknova

join:2010-02-23
Grande Prairie, AB
kudos:7
MLPPP has no effect on your DSL connection (ie, what happens between the ISP and the modem). If you have a DSL connection that is getting 1.5/0.5, then the best you can hope for by adding another connection is 3/1.
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