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atrens

@juniper.net
reply to TSI Martin

Re: Everything MLPPP


A few questions folks ..

--
First question has to do with topology/vlans/pppoe ..

Here's my simple network topology. In words I have two Thomson
516v6's connected to a close-by ethernet switch, then about 40 ft
of cat5e and another ethernet switch. And connected to that second
switch is my mlppp/pppoe box -

___ ___
516v6x--x| | | |
| X |x----x| X |
516v6x--x|___| |___|x--x mlppp/pppoe box
^ ^ ^
| | |_ second gige switch
| |
| |_ 10m cat5e
|
|_ first gige switch

What I'd like to do is to create a vlan on one of the thompson's,
say vlanid = 9 just for sake of argument, so that I can direct my
second pppoe connection to run on that vlan so that it's certain
that that connection will get directed to the secondary thomson.
I've empirically verified that with only one Thompson in the network
I can create multiple links on the one device, so I'm thinking that
I need some way of partitioning the two modems (vlan) so that hilarity
won't ensue once I enable the second modem. :)

Has anyone attempted this and might know the Thomson cli incantation for
creating vlans? I'm tempted to just yank user.ini off of the Thomson
and change the default vlan to be 9.

--
Second question has to do with MRRU's and link latency and throughput
parameter tuning ..

Here are my current LCP negotiated settings -

[L1] show lcp
LCP [Opened]
Self:
MRU : 1492 bytes
MAGIC : 0x5ff944db
ACCMAP : 0x000a0000
ACFCOMP : No
PROTOCOMP: Yes
AUTHTYPE : none
MRRU : 4096 bytes
SHORTSEQ : No
ENDPOINTDISC: [802.1] 00 0d b9 0d 02 50
Peer:
MRU : 1492 bytes
MAGIC : 0x2c863d13
ACCMAP : 0xffffffff
ACFCOMP : No
PROTOCOMP: No
AUTHTYPE : PAP
MRRU : 32719 bytes
SHORTSEQ : No
ENDPOINTDISC: [LOCAL] 34 36 30 37 32 31 30 30 39 31 00 00 00 00 00

Firstly I'm assuming MRU should be the same as normal single link ppp. So I'm
pretty confident about 1492.

Now the MRRU on the other hand is kind of intriguing. I've read through the 7
or so pages of posts on this thread and see that folks have commented on atm
cell payload size and the like as it relates to MRRU, but what's up with the
Teksavvy 'peer' having a huge MRRU of 32719? Far as I know this violates the
PPPOE RFC which I think says 4096 bytes. And what relation (if any) does 32719
have to atm cell payload size?

$ bc -l
32719/53
617.33962264150943396226
32719 - (617*53)
18

Can folks comment on what the best setting is for my side's MRRU? Should I be
matching Teksavvy's setting?

--
And one final question wrt to link latency and bandwidth.

I have the ability to tweak these, here are my current settings -

[L1] show link
Link L1 (static):
Configuration:
Device type : pppoe
MRU : 1492 bytes
MRRU : 4096 bytes
Ctrl char map : 0x000a0000 bytes
Retry timeout : 2 seconds
Max redial : unlimited, delay 1s
Bandwidth : 800000 bits/sec
Latency : 5 usec
Keep-alive : every 5 secs, timeout 75
Ident string : ""

First of all my assumption is that both bandwidth and latency pertain only
to Transmit (ie uplink) characteristics of my link. So I've set my bandwidth
to match what my modem is reporting as my upstream bandwidth.

Latency apparently is only important when the links have different
characteristics which is in this case is not a concern. Any non-zero small
value seems to be fine.

So my final question simply whether folks have experience to share wrt
my bandwidth and latency assumptions.

Thanks in advance for your help! :)

--Andrew

pmarcovi

join:2009-06-29
Woodbridge, ON
reply to TSI Martin

For any routers that need K26 (Kernel Linux 2.6) like Linksys WRT320n, there is a tomato mod called DualWAN which apparently does support MLPPP (single and multi). Unfortunately, the official site and the firmware itself is Chinese only.

Recently I found out somebody translated it in English. See postings here: »www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?th···3/page-8.

I do not know when I will have time to try it (currently running with DD-WRT), but if anybody here does try it, please post the results.



f1daily

join:2011-04-11
canada
reply to TSI Martin

Hey guys, I'm an idiot when it comes to MLPPP. If I add MLPPP with TekSavvy, do I need a proper router or change settings or will it work right away without me not doing anything on my part to stop torrent throttling. My Ubuntu distro says it needs one week to download and I can't take it anymore!

Thanks for the help!


Dunlop

join:2011-07-13
kudos:2

you need a router with dd-wrt or tomato as mentioned in the OP which has MLPPP features.


edykstra

join:2011-07-31
Barrie, ON
reply to TSI Martin

For 3 or 4 lines, TekSavvy suggests the RouterBoard RB750GL. It is apparently an awesome piece of hardware, and only costs approx $70.

However, the unit comes with ZERO documentation, and the online docs assume you are working with a different model that has a serial interface. (And I had to complain to Mikrotik to get that added recently. Before that, there was nothing.)

I've poured over countless forum posts, each with bits of info - which likely do NOT go together. TekSavvy does not support the setup, but apparently Acanac offers a beautiful script for the unit. Just enter your user/pass and you are done. Why can't TekSavvy do that?

I've got a /27 subnet from TekSavvy and I REALLY need to get this going.

Is there anyone out there with a bunch of static IPs and a RB750GL that can send me screen shots of the Winbox configuration windows to help me figure this out? If not, I guess I am expected to reverse engineer the embedded code on the chips.

Thanks in advance for your effort.


jammin1911

join:2011-01-29
reply to TSI Martin

Is it possible to use MLPPP with VDSL2? (Specifically the 25/7 package from Teksavvy)

Thanks!


aks_canada

join:2004-11-20
Oakville, ON
reply to TSI Martin

Hi
I have tried to find out this info, because i know there are a slew of messages concerning.... but.... specifically, does the Netgear WNDR3700 support Single Line MLPPP?
I read that the newer version 2 as of two weeks ago now will work with DD-WRT. Is this the firmware I will need to get it up and running?

My goal is to get a stable router running Wireless N and Single LIne MLPPP that is scaleable if I upgrade my DSL speed. I currently have a Linksys WRT54GL that works well, but it's not Wireless N.
Thanks


Dunlop

join:2011-07-13
kudos:2

pretty sure that's the router I picked up (I'll check when I get home), my understanding is that all routers will recent versions of DD-WRT installed will support single line MLPPP.

Works without an issue for me


Sith Sideus

join:2011-03-27
Mount Pleasant, ON
reply to TSI Martin

so if im only getting 1.5meg down and .5 meg up if i was to set up lets say a 2 connection MLPPP would i be getting 3meg down and 1 meg up? or would it strengthen the line quality and make things better?



clarknova

join:2010-02-23
Grande Prairie, AB
kudos:7

MLPPP has no effect on your DSL connection (ie, what happens between the ISP and the modem). If you have a DSL connection that is getting 1.5/0.5, then the best you can hope for by adding another connection is 3/1.
--
db


Sith Sideus

join:2011-03-27
Mount Pleasant, ON
reply to TSI Martin

ya thats what i thought, thank you.


yalag

join:2011-08-15
m2n0c2
reply to TSI Martin

does anyone know if the router sold by teksavvy for MLPPP supports QoS? If not, how should I incorporate my QoS router into the setup? thank you



clarknova

join:2010-02-23
Grande Prairie, AB
kudos:7

If you're referring to the WRT54GL running Tomato/MLPPP, it does.
--
db



Webcan

@teksavvy.com
reply to TSI Martin

HI! Does anyone know why the ND version is no longer in the latest build? I have a Asus WL-520-GU and I tried a day ago to load the latest version Alpha 7 and the stable one "Tomato/MLPPP 1.19-mp2 (2.7 MiB)" but did not load on my router after installation.

from my understanding the ND version is specifically for my routers types and wondering why its not in the Alpha4 release?

Another thing is what is the word on support for the Asus RT-N16?
I am interested in this modem for its power, memory and affordability.

Paul



clarknova

join:2010-02-23
Grande Prairie, AB
kudos:7
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL

The ND version is hidden in a thread in this forum. I believe it's the announcement thread for the latest alpha.

As for the RT-N16, it uses Linux 2.6, while the Tomato/MLPPP exists only in Linux 2.4. In other words, until somebody does some porting work, 802.11n routers are not candidates for Tomato/MLPPP.

edit: Here you go: »Re: Tomato/MLPPP v3 alpha 7 released!
--
db


veger

join:2011-09-06

HI!. thanks for link, so far it works fine with my Asus WL-520GU with Multi-link - Dual lines. With two 5 meg/750k up connects I am getting about on average Dn=9.0 mb Up=1.15. (no longer than usual to connect even when comparing it to a stable dd-wrt version).

Question: I do need more power though. What is the most powerful router that tomato/mlppp supports? I got a HOTSPOT with about 20 (and growing) users and some of them I know use utorrent and vuse.

Paul


veger

join:2011-09-06

Ps, its me Webcan, somehow I got missed up on sites and must have created another account here BY accident. oppps.

Paul



clarknova

join:2010-02-23
Grande Prairie, AB
kudos:7
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL
reply to veger

The WL-520GU can handle 15-20 mbps of throughput, although you might run it out of RAM if you really hammer it with torrents.

Have a look at »fw5.net/. I believe the WNDR3700v2 was recently added to the supported list, and should handle 100 mbps or so of throughput.

If you really want to go all out you could install pfsense 2.0 on the x86 hardware of your choice. »pfsense.org I think Linux/MLPPP might still be a viable option if you're handy with a shell. »fixppp.org
--
db


veger

join:2011-09-06

Re: Everything MLPPP -

HI! Thanks for info I will look it up. ps. Something screwed up since my last post concerning version 7. After a few hours the connections was down and I could no longer get into the routers admin area. I had to re-flash the router.

So I will load v7 again on another Asus WL-520GU but this time I will try to flash it directly without going through the upgrade process. (meaning I will not flash with 4 first then upgrade).

I will get to this here when I am done.

Paul


veger

join:2011-09-06
reply to clarknova

Re: Everything MLPPP

HI! I check out the router recommendation you gave for the Netgear "WNDR3700v2" cpu=680 flash=16 ram=64, and on newegg I read a lot of dropped connections even from a few users that gave the router a good rating. So I check out the list at fw5.net and saw the Buffalo WZR-HP-AG300H cpu=680 flash flash=32 ram=128.

Although this router has fewer reviews, overall the cons are far less relevant (IMHO). most of the complaints about the Buffalo WZR-HP-AG300H was concerning "non-detachable antennas and difficult interface" non of which concerns me or anyone else whom wants to use another firmware and has no need for detachable antennas. The pros are obvious as its a more powerful router and its a dual band (comparable to the Asus RT-N16 with the exception that the Asus is not a dual band).

I plan to use it as a main gateway as all other Hotspot routers connect into it, thus the need for a faster CPU and ram.

PS.One of the reasons why I choose the Asus WL-520GU as a Hotspot router was because of its detachable antennas as I need it to connect to an external powered antenna on the top of an apartment building.

Thank you very much for your replies.

Paul



clarknova

join:2010-02-23
Grande Prairie, AB
kudos:7
reply to veger

Re: Everything MLPPP -

It is strongly recommended that you wipe the nvram of any device after installing Tomato/mlppp. I think this will take care of any lockup or other unpredictable behaviour.
--
db


veger

join:2011-09-06

HI! Thanks for the info, ps, someone told me that Openwrt does Not support two lines at the moment or Not for the router "WZR-HP-AG300H" ( one of the two ).

I see it listed here "http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start#buffalo" but I would prefer if someone could confirm it before ordering one.

Paul



FiReSTaRT
Premium
join:2010-02-26
Canada
Reviews:
·Velcom
reply to clarknova

Re: Everything MLPPP

said by clarknova:

If you have a DSL connection that is getting 1.5/0.5, then the best you can hope for by adding another connection is 3/1.

Technically speaking, you're probably correct if restricted to TSI service. OpenWRT/MLPPP now supports heterogeneous bonding, so 1.5/0.5 + 5/0.8 = 6.5 + 1.3 (all minus the 15% PPPoE overhead), but this feature might require support on the LNS side as well. If TSI gives me 2 different speed profiles, I'll be glad to test it
--
Never under estimate a Southern gentleman with a backhoe and a shotgun (credit: »blog.level3.com/2011/08/04/the-1···r-cuts//)


FiReSTaRT
Premium
join:2010-02-26
Canada
Reviews:
·Velcom
reply to veger

Re: Everything MLPPP -

said by veger:

HI! Thanks for the info, ps, someone told me that Openwrt does Not support two lines at the moment or Not for the router "WZR-HP-AG300H" ( one of the two ).
I see it listed here "http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start#buffalo" but I would prefer if someone could confirm it before ordering one.

OpenWRT/MLPPP is a fork and it does work on TSI's MLPPP. I've personally tested it with single line setup before switching to cable and it should easily work on the multiple line setup. For it, you'd need TP Link TL-1043ND or Netgear WNDR3700 though. Those are the only 2 platforms it supports (other than x86, which seems to be a non-starter for you).
--
Never under estimate a Southern gentleman with a backhoe and a shotgun (credit: »blog.level3.com/2011/08/04/the-1···r-cuts//)

Sith Sideus

join:2011-03-27
Mount Pleasant, ON
reply to FiReSTaRT

Re: Everything MLPPP

i am suppose to be getting 5/0.8 already but unfortunately i only get around 1.5/0.5 which sucks, and unless i can figure out why it is so low and fix it i wont bother with MLPPP since it would cost me way to much to get the upload i need...which means in the end ill be stuck.


filipesanta

join:2011-09-22

ok so i want to try out settign up a mlppp conection but i jsut want to bypass the bell throttle i dont need a multilink.
So what i need is a slppp and so far i have been geting diferent tips on thisregarding what do i need for it.

i have a speedstream 6300 router conected to dsl.

aparently this router cant be used so i need to go get a new router or modem but so far i coudnt understand if i need 1 MODEM and 1 ROUTER...just 1 MODEM or if i can use one of those routers that make it work without a modem(im sorry but my knowledge on internet stuff is BAD )

i can get my hands on a D-link router(or modem..i dont know anymore!!)

basicaly all i wan tto know it...im using a single piece of gear(this speedstream 6300) that works as mdoem and router(i think..at least has other ports and wireless).

for a slppp conection just to bypass throttle what do i need to get? jsut the Dlink will do? or shoud i get a modem+the dlink router?

any modem will do if thats the case?

ohh and i woud also like to know if anyone experienced some improvements playign world of warcraft or othe ronline gaming after starting to use mlppp // slppp....because my conection..speed etc seems fine..its jsut the packet lose and sudent lag spikes that make everythign basicaly unplayble

thanks in advance


Fukker

join:2007-03-17
Thornhill, ON
reply to TSI Martin

Amazing topic, really easy explanation on how to setup MLPPP.

Thank you very much.

Expand your moderator at work


infamouskid

join:2007-01-24
North York, ON
reply to TSI Martin

Re: Everything MLPPP

which type of transmit mode should i be using in openwrt/mlppp with teksavvy?

fragmentation, rr or rr performance?
--
BELL CAN SUCKADANUTZ!


doofoo

join:2002-01-21
Upper Marlboro, MD
reply to FiReSTaRT

said by FiReSTaRT:

said by clarknova:

If you have a DSL connection that is getting 1.5/0.5, then the best you can hope for by adding another connection is 3/1.

Technically speaking, you're probably correct if restricted to TSI service. OpenWRT/MLPPP now supports heterogeneous bonding, so 1.5/0.5 + 5/0.8 = 6.5 + 1.3 (all minus the 15% PPPoE overhead), but this feature might require support on the LNS side as well. If TSI gives me 2 different speed profiles, I'll be glad to test it

How exactly does this work with different speeds? Are you referring to the MLPPP on the providers side having link speed profiles set for the bonding?