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join:2008-09-23
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reply to TSI Martin

Re: Everything MLPPP

but i thought bce would limit each account holder to 60gb
that means if you get 7 mlppp lines you'd have wicked down and upspeed but a total cap of 60GB, which makes the need for any mlppp literally too expensive


mtlowes

@cgocable.net
reply to TSI Martin
=> 255.255.255.255??
Don't look right, always thought it was 255.255.255.252


MALific2

@teksavvy.com
reply to TSI Martin
Ok, I have a weird issue for you guys.

I have been using MLPPP with Tekksavvy for the last 6 month without a single issue. Then 2 days ago, I wake up and my connection won't work anymore. "Alright, let's figure this out."

Call tek, talk with the (very nice) guy on the phone for over an hour. Try a bunch of stuff. In the end, we discover that the connection is not the issue (I connect fine to the service) BUT it's my router. Now, absolutely nothing happenned to it yet it suddently stopped working. He suggested that I upgrade the firmware (which I did) and that was all he could offer.

So now i'm stuck there... I can't get the friggin' router to work. I can get to 192.168.1.1 ... see all the details (removed stuff just in case but it's filled):

Model Linksys WRT54G/GS/GL

Time Not Available
Uptime 0 days, 00:06:31
CPU Load (1 / 5 / 15 mins) 0.26 / 0.17 / 0.07
Total / Free Memory 14.18 MB / 3,816.00 KB (26.28%)

WAN
MAC Address
Connection Type PPPoE
IP Address 206...
Subnet Mask 255.255.255.255
Gateway 206...
DNS 206.248...
MTU 1500

Status 1 of 1 Connected
MLPPP Single-link
Connection Uptime 0 days, 00:01:16

Anybody's got an idea what's happening?!
Thanks guys!


moggy

join:2006-01-08
Peterborough, ON

1 edit
reply to TSI Martin
I noticed my bill today
that I am being charged
$4 for a static Ip and another $4 for Mlppp

I thought it was one charge of $4 covers all

39.95 for cogent residential 5mb
4. for static Ip
4. for Mlpp
47.95 total

this has now been fixed it was an error over the last 2 bills
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Vihsadas

join:2003-12-08
Montreal, QC
reply to clarknova
said by clarknova:

said by Vihsadas:

1) I understand that to run MLPPP to bond two lines you need two physical lines of copper, two DSL services, Static IP Service.
All true except the static IP. You need the mlppp option from TSI, which is $4/month. A static IP is no extra charge if you have the mlppp option, so in most cases you may as well get it.

quote:
In a single phone jack, usually you have access to two lines (Can split the jack via a line splitter, and have two phone lines on one phone for example). Can I use a line splitter at the single jack in my wall to run two modems, or do I have to split it at the demarcation point?
Whatever gives you access to that second pair of copper. If you have a line splitter that will do that then it should work.

quote:
2) Is there a way to easily test that your home already has two lines running to it?
The easiest way, especially in an apartment building, is probably to call your phone company and order a second phone line. I don't know about Montreal, but in Telus country you can get a month free with free connection. If you're not so lucky you can just order a second DSL line and the provider will let you know if there's a problem.

quote:
I rewired a bunch of my phone jacks (At the phone jack level) to have access to my current single line. However, there are a few jacks that are miswired: they have two of the four internal wires going to the pins in the phone jack, but those are the "wrong" wires to have access to my currently subscribed phone line/DSL (haven't gotten around to changing them yet).
Would these jacks potentially be "pre-wired" correctly for a future new Dry loop, or landline I would purchase through Teksavvy? Could I hook up my second modem here?
How would I test that before I buy?
The only way to test without service is by accessing the demarc. If you can't, then you can't. I ordered a second DSL line in my home, knowing that there was a second pair of copper coming in, and was told they couldn't hook me up because Telus didn't recognize the second circuit. TSI didn't charge me a thing until Telus had come in and activated the second circuit. I don't think you stand to lose anything by requesting the second line.
Cool, I understand now. Thanks for the information, it was very helpful!


clarknova

join:2010-02-23
Grande Prairie, AB
kudos:7
Reviews:
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reply to Vihsadas
said by Vihsadas:

1) I understand that to run MLPPP to bond two lines you need two physical lines of copper, two DSL services, Static IP Service.
All true except the static IP. You need the mlppp option from TSI, which is $4/month. A static IP is no extra charge if you have the mlppp option, so in most cases you may as well get it.

quote:
In a single phone jack, usually you have access to two lines (Can split the jack via a line splitter, and have two phone lines on one phone for example). Can I use a line splitter at the single jack in my wall to run two modems, or do I have to split it at the demarcation point?
Whatever gives you access to that second pair of copper. If you have a line splitter that will do that then it should work.

quote:
2) Is there a way to easily test that your home already has two lines running to it?
The easiest way, especially in an apartment building, is probably to call your phone company and order a second phone line. I don't know about Montreal, but in Telus country you can get a month free with free connection. If you're not so lucky you can just order a second DSL line and the provider will let you know if there's a problem.

quote:
I rewired a bunch of my phone jacks (At the phone jack level) to have access to my current single line. However, there are a few jacks that are miswired: they have two of the four internal wires going to the pins in the phone jack, but those are the "wrong" wires to have access to my currently subscribed phone line/DSL (haven't gotten around to changing them yet).
Would these jacks potentially be "pre-wired" correctly for a future new Dry loop, or landline I would purchase through Teksavvy? Could I hook up my second modem here?
How would I test that before I buy?
The only way to test without service is by accessing the demarc. If you can't, then you can't. I ordered a second DSL line in my home, knowing that there was a second pair of copper coming in, and was told they couldn't hook me up because Telus didn't recognize the second circuit. TSI didn't charge me a thing until Telus had come in and activated the second circuit. I don't think you stand to lose anything by requesting the second line.
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Vihsadas

join:2003-12-08
Montreal, QC
reply to TSI Martin
Noob Questions:

Currently have a landline and Dynamic IP DSL 5M set up with Teksavvy.

1) I understand that to run MLPPP to bond two lines you need two physical lines of copper, two DSL services, Static IP Service.
In a single phone jack, usually you have access to two lines (Can split the jack via a line splitter, and have two phone lines on one phone for example). Can I use a line splitter at the single jack in my wall to run two modems, or do I have to split it at the demarcation point?

2) Is there a way to easily test that your home already has two lines running to it?
I rewired a bunch of my phone jacks (At the phone jack level) to have access to my current single line. However, there are a few jacks that are miswired: they have two of the four internal wires going to the pins in the phone jack, but those are the "wrong" wires to have access to my currently subscribed phone line/DSL (haven't gotten around to changing them yet).
Would these jacks potentially be "pre-wired" correctly for a future new Dry loop, or landline I would purchase through Teksavvy? Could I hook up my second modem here?
How would I test that before I buy?

The reason I ask is because I live in a pretty dense apartment building, and don't know/may not have access to my demarc...I haven't found it yet.
Sry for the noobishness.


Raskolnikov

@dsl.bell.ca
reply to TSI Martin
I will be switching to Teksavvy at the end of this month and was wondering if there is a chance of building Tomato/MLPPP from the Tomato ND USB Mod branch at »www.linksysinfo.org/forums/showt···?t=60185

Doing so not only brings USB support, but more importantly, support for the 2.6 branch of the Linux kernel (as well as the current 2.4 branch), support for a number of newer routers (including wireless N ones), and more active development.

More specifically, kernel-2.6 allows for stateful packet inspection with ipv6 and all routers currently supported in Tomato/MLPPP can be moved to the 2.6 branch. From the outside, this seems like a win-win situation.

ericv_888

join:2010-04-25
Saint-Etienne-De-Lauzon, QC
reply to TSI Martin
Hi

I'm thinking of switching to teksavvy, and I want to know it it is possible to enable MLPPP on a Asus RT-N12 router using third party firmware such as Tomato or DD-WRT. I know that their are some builds that support the Asus RT-N12, I just don't know if MLPPP is supported in these builds.

mofoo

join:2007-10-27
Burlington, ON
reply to TSI Martin
Hai Guyz!
Don't forget router config!
»mlppp.teksavvy.com/
Screenshots on how to set up tom/mlppp. The miscellaneous settings are important for performance

txr13

join:2010-03-17
Surrey, BC
reply to TSI Martin
Pardon me if I'm asking a question that's already been answered and I missed it...

Is this also available in Western Canada, specifically Vancouver?

yp_1

join:2009-12-31
reply to gramzee
If this is a new area, you better check with Teksavvy support on DSL service availability. Very often new areas don't get DSL service right away so you may have to get stuck with Rogers for a while (happened to me a couple of times).

PhoenixAura

join:2010-02-11
North York, ON
reply to gramzee
Apparently, RouterOS will support all that.

I wouldn't mess around with a miniITX. What for? Now you have to concern yourself with hardware, drivers, etc.

Grab the pre-fab unit direct from Mikrotik. You can always phone them first and confirm that it will provide you with all of the necessary feature and functionality you're searching for.

If you're set on going the mini-ITX route, why even pay for RouterOS? Just install a free Linux-distro and build a multi-link PPP router yourself... ....or install PFSense (also free), etc. There are even other options as well, such as ZeroShell (Web Interface, so it's easier than using command-line to create necessary rules yourself), Slax Router (another Linux run-off --> »slaxrouter.sourceforge.net/gallery.html), etc.

There are more options, but you get the idea. In all honesty, I'm looking for an MLPPP bridge device. I'm waiting for the day when someone (Thompson?) builds a dual- or quad-port DSL modem, with an internal MLPPP bridge configuration, so that it simply provides the MLPPP link, and forwards all other traffic (including DHCP / WAN IP) directly to the firewall sitting behind it.

gramzee

join:2010-03-10
L9T7T8
reply to TSI Martin
pheonixaura .... interesting I just came across another thread that was promoting that mikrotik router and it's OS. I'm currently reading this »www.mikrotik.com/pdf/what_is_routeros.pdf
which appears to say that you can run the OS itself on an x86 box. Now i'm wondering about making a mini-itx box with this OS. Probably overkill on speed, but hey, then you'd won't be asking yourself if you can do it faster for a longtime

But I'm still researching, might find out can't do it this way either. Basically I think right now, I want MLPPP and VLAN in a single box of some sort.

PhoenixAura

join:2010-02-11
North York, ON
reply to TSI Martin
I'm running it on the Asus WL-520GU, and haven't had any issues.

I've also recommended an MLPPP setup to a client company of mine, and have purchased the ASUS WL-520GU to act as the front-end router that will sit just in-front of the corporate firewall.

Obviously, right now, since the deployment of Multi-link PPP is not widespread, most small to mid-size equipment vendors have chosen not to include support for MLPPP in their products (SonicWALL, Cisco Linksys, etc.). However, Routerboard supplies an enterprise-class product that apparently supports MLPPP deployments of up to 5-bonded lines: »www.routerboard.com/pricelist.ph···oduct=90

The MRRP is roughly $70 USD, so it's actually pretty cheap considering the capabilities. I would rather deploy this product, as opposed to Tomato, because it is "officially" supported by the vendor, and routerboard's products are known for performance and stability.

I know there are a few others on here testing out the Routerboard product, so maybe they can fill you in on the details, as I have yet to actually test one out for myself.


clarknova

join:2010-02-23
Grande Prairie, AB
kudos:7
Reviews:
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reply to gramzee
The HCL for the official Tomato builds is found at www.polarcloud.com/tomato. If you look for the latest release announcement in this forum you'll find a build of the ND version, which I've been running on the ASUS WL-520gu for about a day in total, without incident.

I can't comment on the higher-powered models you listed, but if you're looking for something with a little more heft you could always try pfsense, which on an inexpensive alix or atom board would far outperform any mips board for comparable outlay.
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db

gramzee

join:2010-03-10
L9T7T8
reply to TSI Martin
Hi guys, I determined today that I'll be looking elsewhere other than D-Link for compatability with MLPPP on a router. I was hoping one of our business class router/firewalls could do it. That said, I was looking at the list of routers that support Tomato (understood that Tomato/MLPPP while it should work with others has only been tested by the developer on the WRT54G). I was hoping if anyone can share their experiences with other routers than the WRT54G, such as the WRTSL54GS or Netgear WNR3500 series routers. I'm looking at these in particular as I like the fact their specs are higher than most with a more powerful processor and higher amounts of RAM.

Thanks for providing your feedback!

gramzee

join:2010-03-10
L9T7T8
reply to TSI Martin
To confirm I can expect to pay monthly for DSL Rate + 2 x Band Rates + $4 for MLPPP? Any other costs I should expect? eg. Costs involved with setting up the dry loop? This will be a brand new built house. Obviously costs for hardware and activation are seperate.


TSI Martin
Premium
join:2006-02-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:33
reply to gramzee
All you need is the dryloop lines. Which ever modem you decide to use, it really doesn't matter, as long as at the end of the day it's a DSL compatible modem & both line rates are identical. As for the DFL device, not sure if it does support MLPPP tho.

Regards,
Martin
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Authorized TSI employee ( »»TekSavvy FAQ »Official support in the forum )

gramzee

join:2010-03-10
L9T7T8
reply to TSI Martin
Hi guys. I'm moving to Milton later this year and am looking at using Teksavvy as my new ISP. Currently i'm with Rogers in Mississauga.

In this new house I don't plan on getting a phone line from Bell. If I want to utilize MLPPP can someone help me understand what I need to ask Teksavvy for when I setup my new account? I work for D-Link and am hoping to utilize D-Link DSL modems and a DFL-260 UTM Firewall if possible. Not yet sure if it supports MLPPP, i'll ask around about that internally.

Will I need two dry loop lines from Teksavvy, or will one allow me to connect both modems?


Mersault

join:2007-10-26
Toronto, ON

1 edit
reply to zacron
Yeah, I know. MySQL related issues since yesterday, and I've been too busy with work to resolve them. Should have some time over the weekend to fix it.

Edit: Website is back in service.


zacron
Premium
join:2008-11-26
canada
reply to Mersault
said by Mersault:

I've posted about my MLPPP in FreeBSD setup here. Please feel free to provide feedback or ask any questions you may have.
Your link is dead eh


TSI Martin
Premium
join:2006-02-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:33
reply to TSI Martin
adding thread to Pfsense 2.0 w/ MLPPP

»[working] mlppp in pfsense 2.0!
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TSI Martin - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to xstatic414
You can't just plug another modem into the switch. You need to set up a new vlan on one of the ports by changing the nvram settings. You might need to create a bridge on that vlan (pppd segfaults if you give it a vlan directly, I don't recall if we auto-create bridges for vlans), and then put that into the device list.

I don't recall the instructions on setting up a vlan off-hand.


ohmer

join:2003-08-06
Quebec, QC
kudos:1
reply to TSI Martin
Bell tech always installed me a second jack for free for my second line.

darkzero

join:2008-06-01
reply to TSI Martin
I'm looking to set up MLPPP with 1 wet and 1 dry. I've already got something with TSI on the house's wet line so I want to add a dry loop.

The question is, what kind of steps will I need to take to add another line. Can I do it myself? In my research I believe there needs to be something done to my demarc (wiring up the secondary line - x coloured cables to black/yellow cables?) and then I need to re-wire one phone line to use these new black/yellow instead of red/green.

After/before that I can activate my second line on dry loop and should be able to get a dial tone/connection?

I've opened up my demarc and saw white/blue going to red/green. There's also black/yellow hanging loose in the same cabling as the red/green and an assortment of colours that go with the white/blue.

If I'm getting it right, I should be able to twist black/yellow and, say, orange/orange-white together and then in a phone jack in the house replace the white/blue with orange/orange-white.

Is there anything else to it? It feels like something huge is missing. I can take pictures of my demarc and a phone port in my house if anyone is willing to help.

Cheers!

xstatic414

join:2010-01-30
Brampton, ON
reply to TSI Martin
Using tomato 1.25-mp3alpha6. Need some help trying to connect 3 line mlppp please. Have two lines working. When I try to set up for the third line it connects but does not pull data: only 2 of 3 relevant port lights flash on linksys GL. Switching cables proves all three modems work, just not together.

Right now I have it set for 2 lines with MLPPP Interfaces set: vlan1,br0. For the third line, I have set this in every configuration I can think of.

Adding ",br1" does connect 3 lines, but the third line doesn't pull. I tried vlan0, br1,br2 and most other combinations of vlan1, vlan0, br0,1 & 2 but no go. I tried to check and un-check the "Reject non-MLPPP connections" option.

PS. The two line together only increase the speed to 7.8 Kps. I was hoping for 15 with 3 lines and see it is possible on other posts. I was getting 5.7+ with bell. Comments would be most welcome. Thanks!

rizlo100

join:2009-05-05
Aurora, ON
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL
reply to groovejumper
Check out this post for config's for mpd5/pf and your rc.conf. These are taken from my router running FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE.

Install bsd, enable the pf kernel modules and install mpd5 from the ports tree. Update the configs to suit your needs and you should be golden

»FreeBSD and Multilink PPP

As always, YMMV.

groovejumper

join:2010-01-26
reply to rizlo100
said by rizlo100:

Just curious if anyone would find a use for a MLPPP setup guide under FreeBSD 7.x and mpd5. I've been using it since moving to TSI but I never see anyone else us it. I'd be happy to write up walk through for fBSD 7.x/mpd5/pf if there is enough interest.

-Riz
TheInterTubes.ca
Yes - I would find a use for this! I'm running Zeroshell in a Hyper-V vm right now, but while I like some aspects of it so far, I'm finding I'm limited in some areas that perhaps I wouldn't be with pf (won't know 'til I try it though). A walkthrough or guide would be a great help for me.

g.


Mersault

join:2007-10-26
Toronto, ON

1 recommendation

reply to TSI Martin
I'd like to see a bit of into about the MTU/MRU values that are best for the different situations (single link, two links, etc). Also I'd like to know which directions are round-robin and which directions use packet splitting.