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Re: All the disputed requests for anti-terrorism said by bent:But yet we keep voting Republicans and Democrats into power as if they had changed their ways. There's no other realistic choice. The way we have general elections without run-offs, the fear of "wasting your vote" (Ex. voting for Perot, and helping Clinton win in '92) will prevent third parties from being anything more than pamphleteers on the sidelines.
I wish that could be improved, if only to demonstrate that governing such a large country, with so many non-homogenous interests, facing complex issues that can't be dismissed with quaint slogans (like "Manifest Destiny" to steal the land of Native Americans) wouldn't be much different under any political party.
It would at least shut people up about how much better things would be if...
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| said by amigo_boy:said by bent:But yet we keep voting Republicans and Democrats into power as if they had changed their ways. There's no other realistic choice. The way we have general elections without run-offs, the fear of "wasting your vote" (Ex. voting for Perot, and helping Clinton win in '92) will prevent third parties from being anything more than pamphleteers on the sidelines. I wish that could be improved, if only to demonstrate that governing such a large country, with so many non-homogenous interests, facing complex issues that can't be dismissed with quaint slogans (like "Manifest Destiny" to steal the land of Native Americans) wouldn't be much different under any political party. It would at least shut people up about how much better things would be if... Mark ...If only we followed the constitution and left much more power to the states to govern themselves instead of mandating everything, the points you raise could at least be mitigated by freedom of choice. At least for now businesses and citizens can, for example, choose to move away from California's high tax rates to an income-tax-free state like Texas. I wish there were more issues that were settled on a state level such that those who disagree or want something different can move to a better place of their choosing while still being able to retain their citizenship with this country.
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1 edit | said by tiger72:said by amigo_boy:said by bent:But yet we keep voting Republicans and Democrats into power as if they had changed their ways. There's no other realistic choice. The way we have general elections without run-offs, the fear of "wasting your vote" (Ex. voting for Perot, and helping Clinton win in '92) will prevent third parties from being anything more than pamphleteers on the sidelines. I wish that could be improved, if only to demonstrate that governing such a large country, with so many non-homogenous interests, facing complex issues that can't be dismissed with quaint slogans (like "Manifest Destiny" to steal the land of Native Americans) wouldn't be much different under any political party. It would at least shut people up about how much better things would be if... Mark ...If only we followed the constitution and left much more power to the states to govern themselves instead of mandating everything, the points you raise could at least be mitigated by freedom of choice. At least for now businesses and citizens can, for example, choose to move away from California's high tax rates to an income-tax-free state like Texas. I wish there were more issues that were settled on a state level such that those who disagree or want something different can move to a better place of their choosing while still being able to retain their citizenship with this country. The real easy solution to that is to invert the Federal and State Income Taxes. Like that will ever happen. When have people with power ever willingly given up that power? Why am I sending such a huge percentage of my income to Washington so that some douchebags there can decide how to spend it? I'd rather the douchebags right here in Denver decide how to spend it.
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said by tiger72:...If only we followed the constitution and left much more power to the states to govern themselves States rights were never a reality. The founding generation abandoned that principle when it threw off the Articles of Confederation just 12 years after the Revolution. A relative libertarian utopia compared to the powerful, centralized federal government they constituted in 1789-1791.
Every generation since as followed that example. A state enslaves its population, or prohibits freedom of the press, and it's another loss of "states rights." A company in one state pollutes the air (affecting other states), another loss of "states rights."
"Go back to states' rights" is Ron Paul's mantra. But, it's a unrealistically simplistic response to complicated issues which would not disappear just because they're devolved into 50 little ones. It ignores how we got to where we are today. It's just a typical libertarian sleight-of-hand. Talking past issues with simplistic jargon.
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A ton of Democrats voted for Perot too, and came back to Clinton in 94. |
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1 edit | said by KrK:A ton of Democrats voted for Perot too, and came back to Clinton in 94. No problem for them.  It was Rs who moaned about other Rs "voting for Clinton" by voting for Perot.
Since then, the event is often used by Rs to whip a little fear into the disillusioned. (As Nader is used to whip Ds into shape regarding 2004's close call involving hanging chad, etc.).
There's no way to vote your conscience without run-off elections (or, tier-rank ballots which 2/3 of the population wouldn't comprehend anyway).
I don't think it would make a difference. If the "Tea Party" got into office, they'd last about 2 years like the "Republican Revolution" of '94.
If Greens (or Libertarians) got into office, they'd have the same abrupt encounter with reality.
It seems to be a natural human trait to blame the two-party system for everything. Or, dismiss every disagreeable action to "unconstitutionality." But, it always goes back to the same thing. Few people changing what they can change (preferring World of Warcraft). Or, trying to change things and realizing... it's not as bad as they thought it was. It's just the nature of a complicated world where people don't have the homogenous values and goals they did in Ward Cleaver's day.
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...if we had a government that adhered to the one moral purpse of government, which is to PROTECT INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. But no.. we have too many whiners who want handouts, want medical care for free from crib to crypt, want to punish competitors that are better at making products than they are, etc. Sickening... |
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